• sp3ctr4l
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    932 months ago

    In my experience, yeah tiktok addicts are like this…

    …but so are tumblr addicts.

    They just have a more esoteric/niche set of triggering conditioms, as well as a more esoteric/niche vocabulary used when emphatically proclaiming something hysterical, and they’re also angry that you have 0 clue what 90% of the terms or events or people or characters they’re referring to are.

    • @ameancow@lemmy.world
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      422 months ago

      Our species is more alone than we’ve ever been even though our numbers are greater than they’ve ever been and our means for reaching each other is nearly limitless.

      Because everyone is so, so deeply scared of social rejection, an instinct bred into us through ice ages and apocalypses where we needed each other to survive, that the fear of rejections has become one of our primary social motivators. People now have a choice of trying to find social circles and groups that they can adapt to or compromise with like we’ve struggled through for thousands of years, or withdraw into spaces that prevent us from ever having to experience even a chance of rejection. Feel awkward when a stranger says hello? You can choose to practice getting better at responding to others, experience failures as well as successes, or you can retreat to a place where “hello” means oppression and you don’t ever need to ever risk pain by responding.

      This is just a tiny, micro-slice of the issue but EVERYONE does this, and if you think you don’t, you are also stuck in the film-strip post-hoc rationalizing your every feeling.

      • @Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world
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        142 months ago

        You’re absolutely right about how deeply the fear of rejection is embedded in us—it’s instinctual, a relic of survival. But here’s the thing: in our modern world, that same fear doesn’t protect us the way it once did. Instead, it traps us. It makes us bend and shape ourselves to fit into spaces we may not even want to be in, just to avoid discomfort.

        The truth is, we all need connection, but the path to genuine connection isn’t through constant adaptation or hiding in safety bubbles—it’s through authenticity. When you stop worrying so much about how others perceive you and start living for yourself, two things happen: you begin to feel freer and more at peace, and your openness creates a magnetism that draws others toward you.

        Awkwardness, rejection, and failure? They’re inevitable, but they also don’t define you. Each time you stop rationalizing avoidance and choose to show up as your full self, you break that fear’s hold on you. You discover what really matters: living authentically, for you, not for validation or social survival.

        That’s where real strength comes from—not from being universally accepted but from no longer needing to be. And ironically, the less you care about how others perceive you, the more meaningful connections you end up making.

        • @frunch@lemmy.world
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          22 months ago

          That was nicely written, and i think i probably needed to hear a lot of it. Thanks for taking the time to post that here.

  • @hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    442 months ago

    The fuck is nicebombing? Searching it online just returns about 2 different terror attacks in France l0l

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        Lovebombing is derived from the first stages of entering a cult, where initially, everyone is extremely, unconditionally friendly and accomodating, but then later all of that becomes extremely conditional, requiring strict adherence to rules and unwavering obedience to avoid punishment, shaming, and/or ostracization.

        This meaning actually comes from academics that study cults.

        This definition then migrated over to mostly women describing one on one relationships with mostly men.

        The problem is that this carries an immense amount of negative connotations and implications over to a one on one relationship that are very rarely actually present.

        It is a completely normal relationship dynamic to have an initial exciting phase, that then changes to mutually recognizing and respecting boundaries, and mutually agreeing on and trusting each other with responsibilities, as the relationship matures.

        What I have seen over and over is a (usually, but not always) gal will say that a guy was very affectionate and loving at first, but then that lessened over time…

        … but if you ask the (usually, but not always) guy, they’ll say that they lost interest and intensity in the relationship because the gal just didn’t respect the guy’s boundaries, did not hold up to responsibilities she agreed to, or just kept making requests or demands the guy has told the gal he is not financially capable of meeting.

        The (usually, but not always) gal will describe this as ‘lovebombing’, as if the guy was putting on a front, being duplicitous the whole time, with all the implications that this guy was as dangerous and manipulative as a cult leader…

        … and the (usually but not always) guy will describe the gal as some kind of phrase indicating self-centered and/or greedy and/or overly demanding, all take and no give.

  • @pH3ra@lemmy.ml
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    282 months ago

    Everytime I see videos like that, I have to remember the promise I made to myself not to become like my father.
    It gets harder every year.

    • KillingTimeItself
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      82 months ago

      i find it helps me to view other people explicitly as separate entities with free will.

      Makes it harder to do any sort of funny business when you’re more aware of their autonomy on a fundamental level.

        • KillingTimeItself
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          22 months ago

          you got me on that one, i am in fact not a real person, i am merely an ethereal being who resides in this weird place known as the internet.

          Most people aren’t very privy to it yet though.

      • @FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world
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        32 months ago

        I often think of the phrase “we judge others by their actions and ourselves by our intent,” usually while driving, and try to just let people live their life and their story.

        • KillingTimeItself
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          22 months ago

          i’m very fundamentally apathetic, so i just find it really hard to care about anything, i’ve also been practicing a sort of “focusing on the things that really matter in life” way of living, which helps with that a lot.

          There are ALWAYS things to worry about less.

  • @Clbull@lemmy.world
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    232 months ago

    Engaging in small talk is “nicebombing” and is psychopathic behaviour? Now I have seen everything…

    Reminds me of how any guy who develops feelings for a woman, gets rejected and feels upset at being heartbroken is labelled a Nice Guy™, or worse, an incel.

    Sometimes I wonder if an external influence of some kind has been messing with the psyche of the modern generations. Maybe decades of austerity, flouride in tap water, social media addiction, microplastics or vape fluids containing far nastier chemicals than nicotine?

    • @jj4211@lemmy.world
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      32 months ago

      feels upset at being heartbroken

      Here’s where the word “upset” having multiple meanings can be a problem.

      If he is upset, as in sad and/or confused, ok, that’s a reasonably expected reaction.

      If he is upset as in angry about being turned down, then he’s being pretty entitled and has criticism coming.

      In terms of things having gone too far, it’s simple enough. We are connected all the time and we can find al sorts of echo chambers and be in contact with that circle 24/7 using online engagement where we can just turn off/ban anyone that we don’t feel like dealing with. This fosters a strange mix of overthinking things, contagious pessimism, and isolationist behavior. People need more balance with more real life interaction.

  • @St0ner@lemmy.wtf
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    122 months ago

    wtf kinda world do these psychos wanna live in ? only text don’t talk. no calls only video conference. no music just music videos or vidvoks(letterkenny ftw) It’s about out of hand , git off my lawn!

    • esa
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      42 months ago

      Texting vs talking has some situational context. E.g. if you’re somewhere public, talking on the phone is often frowned upon, but you may text quietly. In a car it’s reversed.

      But a lot of us old folks do want people to sit down and shut up. It likely also plays into impressions of foreigners—a lot of immigrants are probably doing something they consider normal by talking on the phone on the bus, while everyone around them thinks they’re being incredibly rude.

      Calls and meetings can often be an email, too. Better to not disrupt others if you can avoid it.

    • @jj4211@lemmy.world
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      22 months ago

      The text instead of talk is pretty situational from what I see. Young people still will gleeflully hang with open mic on discord with their friends. One on one phone calls are certainly more rare, but I know my kid spends more time talking on discord than I ever spent talking on the phone growing up (sharing the house phone). I don’t know if anyone is particularly excited about video conferences, certainly in my adult life video-capable meetings are the order of the day, but the cameras are generally off. It’s way more convenient than the meeting calls of old.

      From what I’ve seen while they are playing ‘music videos’, it’s frequently just in the background and they aren’t watching it, it’s just a convenient way of getting the audio since youtube has it all and is the most convenient interface. There were more radio stations than MTV/VH-1, so it wasn’t as convenient to just let MTV/VH1 be your audio back then as it is for youtube to be your music.

  • @sumguyonline@lemmy.world
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    82 months ago

    2yrs ago I literally just said “you look nice, and it’s cold out so good for you putting in the effort” as I was walking the opposite direction as a strange woman. DO NOT DO THAT, recognize for yourself that they are there, but do not acknowledge people. She threw a hissy fit and tried to make it look like I was harassing her, her fat but much nicer friend whom I also complimented took it well and said “it is cold”, the pretty bitch literally started walking like a dinosaur and had a meltdown because I just left. You don’t need these people. Just act like they are an annoyance to even be in your presence and get a dog or two. It’s better that way, permanently.

    • sp3ctr4l
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      242 months ago

      Probably next time just say ‘Hey, nice dress!’ or ‘You look stunning!’ and then just keep walking on.

      ‘You look nice’, in that context, a fleeting interaction, walking past a group of people you don’t know, who don’t know you, is creepy.

      Its like the stereotypical creepy guy thing to say.

      Following it up with a lengthy explanation and getting the whole group involved is even worse.

      ‘Good on you for putting in the effort’ is infantilizing, and implies that they normally don’t.

      I agree that throwing a hissy fit and stomping away is an immature, rude overreaction, but you did actually stop and continue the interaction with her friend, thus basically from her perspective being awkward, then insulting, then starting an argument, when her and her friend were presumably… going somewhere, to do something, probably within a specific time frame.

      You easily could have just kept walking (which ironically is the actual advice you end with), instead of trying to defend yourself… and you’ve got to be a bit more competent in formulating a succinct, quick compliment when the context is ‘randomly walking past a complete stranger.’

      • @gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        32 months ago

        btw, why is “You look stunning!” acceptable, but “You look nice” is not?

        Is it because “you look stunning” is euphoric, sales-like, energizing, while “you look nice” is … flat?

        why do we have to live in a society that dictates that everything must constantly seem better than it is, instead of just keeping things nice and honest?

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          Unfortunately, I can’t give you an answer that makes sense, in the way that solving a simple math equation follows well defined rules and just does have a correct solution.

          This is a social / psychological kind of question, and if you try to break it down to a mechanistic way of understanding it, well, good luck, a single human brain has almost as many neurons as there are stars in the Milky Way, and they all operate on heuristics and fuzzy logic.

          Maybe think of it as … ‘stunning’ is a +5 modifier to ‘You look ___’, whereas ‘nice’ is only +1, and you gotta roll at least a 4.

          As to your last question:

          You’re not wrong to ask that, but you are overgeneralizing to jump to it straight from ‘why do some compliments often work while others often don’t?’

          Part of the point of a compliment is to make someone feel like they are indeed better than most others.

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            22 months ago

            hey i remember you from an earlier discussion that we had :) good to see you again.

            yeah, i guess that “and you gotta roll at least a 4” kinda makes sense.


            Part of the point of a compliment is to make someone feel like they are indeed better than most others.

            I guess that is the point where my personal emotions just differ from the people around me. To me, it is ok to be average, and to be one of many. I don’t want to be special, so i project that feeling onto others. That is why “you look nice” is an acceptable thing to me, but apparently not so much to others.

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              Good to see you too =)

              Not sure if you outright stated you are autistic in other comments, but I’m autistic as well, I’m guessing I just have more experience with it than you, as I’m 35, and I’m guessing you are younger than that.

              Socializing with NTs, and even other NDs can be quite difficult and complicated… a whole lot of people will tell you ‘bro, everyone interprets things exactly like I do’… even though their own interpretations are inconsistent, and they are obviously wrong, different people interperet the same phrase, in the same context differently.

              The best you can do is trial and error or learn from gathering lots of data, and try to make some general rules that work most of the time.

              Anyone who tells you ‘this will work 100% of the time to ensure great social interactions’ is lying… people are different, their moods change, and social norms change over time.

              Human psychology is very complicated. It is an academic field that can be studied… but a whole lot of people just hear and see pop psychology tidbits on apps like tiktok, and end up wildly misusing terms.

              This has actually been studied, and aomething like 50% of relationship advice and psychological info on tiktok is just flat out wrong, and about 25% of it is dangerously, greivously wrong.

              But anyway, its good that you doing some self reflection is leading you to greater understanding of yourself!

              Unironically, if you can afford it, a therapist may be able to help you by directing and advising you in that process of becoming more aware of aspects of yourself, and how they differ from others.

              I personally agree with you that being average is fine… but again, the point of a compliment is to make someone feel better than average, to highlight something that makes them execptional.

              The reason ‘you look nice’ evoked a negative reaponse is that its indicative, to most people, of a compliment that is not really sincere… it isn’t specific, it isn’t emphatic or strong… most people will conclude that a vague, weak compliment is actually just a person who doesn’t really think there’s anything special about a person, but they want to appear as if they think the person is special.

              The weak and vague compliment then backfires and evokes the opposite result because it indicates the complimenter is being duplicitous, disingenuous.

              Also as a final note, your last msg in this chain used ‘euphoric’ when I think you meant emphatic.

              Euphoric, euphoria, is a sense of overwhelming happiness, joy and/or pleasure… its a state of being of a human or conscious subject.

              I don’t think a phrase can be euphoric… it can maybe evoke euphoria, but it can’t be euphoric.

              Emphatic, on the other hand, basically means strong or severe, more intense or charged with emotion, of a higher degree, unambiguous.

              So… nice, good, great, wonderful, stunning, amazing, incredible, impeccable, flawless, iconic… at least for me, that’s roughly in order of rising ‘strength’, as an end to the phrase “You look ___”… but other people may order that list differently.

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          Nah, its ok to quickly compliment random people if you do it tactfully and respectfully, without expecting any reciprocation or expanding follow up conversation.

          I do this fairly frequently to random people I walk past, and they very often explicitly thank me for it, or fire back with a compliment of myself, or at least say something generally kind or positive in response.

          Then we both just go about our day.

          This only doesn’t go well with extremely paranoid people, or people who are so emotionally traumitized or insecure/low self esteem that they interperet a genuine compliment as an attack or demand.

          the problem was in the compliment being poorly formed, and then basically trapping the girl/woman into a conversation she didn’t want to have, which is a demand.

          The idea of trying to compliment a random passerby is not inherently bad, sumguy’s execution was just very poor.

    • Lad
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      202 months ago

      Sorry pal but you were in the wrong here.

    • @SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
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      192 months ago

      Oops you fucked up a social interaction and converted your own fuck up to misogyny instead. Don’t do that. You’ll continue to fuck it up and forever reinforce your own downward spiral to misogyny.

    • SkaveRat
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      112 months ago

      you look nice

      weird and creepy, but okay

      it’s cold out so good for you putting in the effort

      okay, you’re lucky you kept your intact nose that day

    • @gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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      22 months ago

      well i’ve made the experience that people who could be considered “pretty” by social beauty standards are more likely to be mean.

      the way i explain it is through the “ideal bonding distance” theory. in chemistry, if you have two atoms forming a molecule, they typically keep a certain distance from one another. In society, something similar is happening. People like to have a certain distance from one another. If it’s too big, they’ll try to get closer to other people. If it’s too close, they try to push other people away. Since “pretty” people make the experience a lot that other people try to come way to close to them (for their own liking), they develop a habit of, in general, pushing people away, thus the mean appearance. People who don’t build that habit (because they don’t need it), are nicer in general, i would say.

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        I don’t think your analogy really works, its overly complex.

        You’re basically describing the concept of people being in, or out, of another person’s ‘league’, the idea that social dynamics can become unbalanced when there is a wide disparity in percieved attractiveness between members of a group, or relationship, which is more pronounced the more people judge/evaluate others more heavily by outward appearance.

        …but, it is an empircally validated fact that people who are percieved as more beautiful get more leeway in social interactions, have an easier time being hired, are used to receiving more praise, have an easier time manipulating others, have anneasier time making friends, are more likely to be forgiven or punished less for an offense than people who are percieved as unattractive.

        Being pretty doesn’t just directly cause narcissism at some kind of purely deterministic, genetic level, but the way that society treats prettier people encourages them to become narcissistic.

        But also, unattractive people who are narcissistic, manipulative and mean often figure out that prettier people have pretty privelege, and will focus on making themselves appear prettier, so as to have an easier time being narcissistic, manipulative and mean.

        There are pretty people who aren’t mean, but yes, in general, prettier people are more likely to be mean.

      • @TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
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        so because pretty women get harassed more, you’re calling them mean? why is this about the woman’s personality and not the jerk you’re replying to who creeped her out and put her in the defense? “mean”… she sounds tough to me

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    These are the keyboard revolutionaries that will take up arms against the regime LMAO 🤣

    These people can’t even interact with any other without going ballistic and pretend they can run a revolution when they can’t even run an errand to the store