Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.
Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.
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You don’t really need to “trust” the admins if you think of your account like a throwaway.
Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.
what’s up with manjaro?
Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.
830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it
The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain
They dont own that one either somehow lol
The rest of the Fediverse should put together a GoFundMe to buy the domain, and stick up a page with links to donate drones to Ukrainian soldiers, and care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.
Honestly I’d donate. Would love to see them seethe.
I’d rather people just fund their instances or the developers
I wonder if the high bids will actually go through or if it’s just trolling. Definitely weird to give such big amounts of money away for a joke outside the space where it’s needed.
Couldn’t somebody buy it and change it to force all the assholes out and then change things to make it a proper instance?
care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.
So right to the pockets of Adrian Zenz?
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They didn’t really move. That hostname has been a synonym for hexbear.net all along. It may have been the instance’s original hostname.
How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.
Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.
Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.
I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.
Thats always risky and I highly doubt it, they could just not buy it and then they’re stuck holding the domain and can’t sell it for a cheaper price immediately after
Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.
they had a genuinely traumatic experience
Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.
Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.
They love to paint themselves as victims.
Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you
It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.
If you see anything that’s factually incorrect in my comment, please go ahead and point it out.
How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.
i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
what was already pointed out.
Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?
bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out
What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?
I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)
You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!
Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.
Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.
Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.
Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.
But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.
They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,
Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.
I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.
But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.
Yes, that’s how federation works lol.
Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic
Homie, they inundated everywhere else with their bile, very few people actually came to their instance.
They were the traumatic experience.
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According to that statement they don’t have access to the account to renew that one either, so they’ll lose it eventually and it should be considered temporary. 🤷♂️
Updated my blocklist, thank you
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If I had the money I’d buy it and replace every post with goatse.
EDIT: wtf the insane asylum is loose. Halp
yes let’s sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you’re so righteous.
There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.
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People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.
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People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.
sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.
If “verbal diarrhea” is so commonplace on reddit, then it wouldn’t be necessary for people to leave Reddit in order to spread it, hmm?
Obviously your entire premise is sheer stupidity regardless, but I just want point out that even according to your own internal logic, it still doesn’t make any sense.
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I’m just here bc people made fun of .world users, please don’t make more tribalism 😭😭
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Just social media posting your way to praxis? That’s a hell of a form of “mutual aid.”
There’s a Mutual Aid comm where people in need can make a request for money or other such necessity and others can fulfil them.
what cowbee said, and you dorks trying to get the domain to redirect hexbear to sexually explicit or otherwise useless shit are just making it that much harder for the numerous palestinians, trans people, unhoused people, etc. who have come to rely on c/mutual_aid.
good to know that owning the “tankies” is more important to you dweebs than letting us continue to help them. i really hope you’re proud of yourselves.
I think anyone trying to buy the domain and redirect it as some kind of joke is dumb and I don’t support that.
But I’m curious how the vetting process works for c/mutual aid. How can you be sure that the money is going to people who actually need it, as opposed to people who are playing a part to garner your sympathy?
I’ve poked around hexbear from time to time and I remember a certain Palestinian family that was receiving fairly substantial aid. That appeared fairly legit to me, although it’s still extremely difficult to be sure.
But the people who need help with rent, or help paying their phone bill, or whatever random sob story they might come up with, I view with inherent suspicion.
Have you ever considered that it might be a much more efficient use of your resources to actually walk around wherever you live and give food and blankets directly to the unhoused? To volunteer at a local soup kitchen or homeless shelter?
Sending anonymous strangers money over the internet has a very large chance of going to the wrong people who are adept at manipulating others but not actually in the most need. It has a very large chance of funding self destructive behaviors of mentally ill people that ultimately drive the individual further into poverty and misery. Just something to think about.
The mutual_aid comm literally saved me from being homeless and losing my pet cats that I’ve had for 10 years.
It has a very large chance of funding self destructive behaviors of mentally ill people that ultimately drive the individual further into poverty and misery.
Fuck you Nancy Grace. “Don’t give that homeless man money! He’ll use it on drugs”
What’s the worse problem? Someone getting something ‘they don’t deserve’ or someone not getting something they need to live?
That’s great, good for you.
I think drugs are great, but they can be very harmful for people who are already mentally unstable. I deal with homeless people frequently, and in many cases, abusing drugs is a major problem for them and giving them money just perpetuates a self destructive cycle that eventually ends with them dying before their time.
Someone not getting something they need to live is the worse problem, which is why sending your charity off into the interwebs with hopes and prayers that it has a positive impact is a very naive and lazy way of doing things. You should be making sure that it helps those who are most desperate, and the only way to ensure that is to do your giving IRL.
For your point on trust, hexbear users mostly just have to trust that the user is acting in good faith as there isn’t really any way to properly verify if the person is telling the truth without forcing them to reveal personal, and potentially identifiable, information. And for your point on funding destructive behaviours, if we assume that this individual is telling the truth about their situation, then you aren’t funding their drug addiction by helping them pay rent or buy food.
That’s fair and I respect it, we need to have the courage to trust other people and I’m sure people have received much needed aid from that community.
But at the same time we have to recognize when a system is vulnerable to abuse, and consider ways to prevent that abuse from happening, or at least limit it. Sometimes, people aren’t going to tell the truth, and sometimes they may not know how to help themselves. It’s very hard to recognize those scenarios when your only context is an anonymous username on an internet forum.
It’s like giving money to the guy walking about the gas station with a story
You’ll see that same guy again and again, and he never seems to put any gasoline in his can
The idea is stupid, sure, but it’s not like it’s any more sexual harassment than posting pictures of a pig’s ass repeatedly. Hexbear users (many of whom I quite like) should be used to it.
Yeah harassing homeless people asking for 20 bucks so they can avoid their next hypoglycemic seizure with mid 2000’s edgy shock porn explicitly for the purpose of being cruel to them IS EXACTLY THE SAME as harassing deliberate trolls acting in bad faith with a picture of an animal’s butt so they go away.
You’re a perfectly well adjusted person who I totally wouldn’t believe hurts small animals for fun.
Swear to god Hexbear is the best thing that’s ever happened to the internet if only because we get to see a lot of people’s real faces when they react to it.
Wow a single community dedicated to giving any schmuck with a sob story some pocket change. So the whole instance must be the salt of the earth which can do no wrong and have no bad takes. Gee its almost like c/mutual_aid is a defensive shield that you think protects from legitimate criticism of the rest of hexbears extremist nonesense shitposting.
How noble, im truly moved. No, actually im not. Charity for the sake of arguing moral superiority and trying to prove a theoretical socialist system of willful wealth redistribution yet pretending its just out of goodness of hexbear users hearts is false virtue pandering.
I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. All I see is you trying to justify using your excess of money to deliberately hurt people because you’re upset over some words said to you.
And all I see is someone who cant formulate a coherent argument. I legitimately have no idea what you’re trying to say or imply about me, do you even know your replying to a different person than the guy above?
Also oof bad guess, Im currently broke as shit and live offgrid in a tent. Care to take another crack at assuming anything about my life or overall character? Speaking of doing good for those in need and my intentions, last season I volunteered at a local medical rehab helping get homeless clean off life threatening drugs and improving their quality of life by making sure they had clean rooms and basic amenities. It might not be sending 20$ anonymously to fuel a homeless persons narcotic or opioid addiction so they don’t have to get medical assistance to deal with withdraw shock or overdosing like the most caring and thoughtful hexbear donators but hey its something I guess.
Tankies run on hypocrisy.
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Average Western “”““leftists””“”
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Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.
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Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left
Your comment history disagrees.
State capitalism isn’t leftist
Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.
Even fucking social democrats are more leftist
Why? Oh right, because they’re Western
Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.
I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.
Tankies are just fascists painted red.
And the last time I checked, hating fascists isn’t anti-left
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
Moreover, calling Communists “fascists” makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being “Communist.” It’s entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is, and how AES states are run. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to understand why fascism and Communism are in no way comparable, as well as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to see how the Socialist economy functioned in the USSR.
Hexbears accusing others of left punching and purity testing 😂
This is honestly surreal, you don’t see the irony in what you’re saying?
No, I don’t see the irony.
hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao
lmao
Woof. We’ve got a live one.
You’d be buying the domain name, not the lemmy instance. So if you wanted to replace every post with whatever, you’d first have to set up your own server and create a new lemmy instance for your newly purchased domain name. You’d have to take extra sets then to mangle your lemmy instance such that it didn’t show the real posts but instead showed what you wanted…
In the end that technical work would be more expensive than the domain name… and probably not worth the effort for a short-lived and mean-spirited joke.
Worth it
I am not writing this to shit on them, but I have to appreciate the irony in the situation. Something about a communist community getting messed up by lapses in individual responsibility, or an authoritarian leaning community getting messed up by fuckups in leadership.
Bidding ends in 9 days.
Edit: Current bid is up to
$305$505$676$710$1920$2345$2365
Now I wanna raise a bunch of money to buy it and use it as a good way to document shitty behavior on the internet.
What a fascinating idea! Though I’d say there were many decent people there, I think.
That’s going to be crazy
To the moon. Still 9 days to go, now $676
Can you share a link to the auction?
It’s in the post’s body.
Oh…I guess I’m an idiot then…
If the highest bidder refuses to pay up, will it pass to the next one down?
Cause I feel lile some of those higher bids would just evaporate and it’d make perfect sense to place say a 500 bid rn (1920) just in case, if you were so inclined to decorate the domain after aquisitionEdit: And also it would mean you could start a bidding war with hexbeareans to drive up their cost to the maximum they would pay, without any risk to yourself as long as you remained anonymous
Supposedly they don’t bid.
Wow, that’s a fuck up of monumental proportions. Still 9 days left on the auction, I wonder how much it’ll ultimately sell for.
This could be really annoying when they all make accounts on lemmy.ml. Funnily enough, having them sequestered over there and defederated from the rest of us has been working pretty well lately. Moderators and admins better start dusting off the banhammers.
Reading through the admin’s post it looks like they have the exact same issue with chapo.chat being registered by an admin who is no longer active and not responding to the rest of the admin team. They explicitly say to view the move to chapo.chat as temporary unless they can get control of that domain.
Sounds like a good lesson for them and many other fediverse instances to form some sort of non-profit/club/organization legal entity and better ensure that these critical items are open to multiple individuals to reduce the bus factor. I would assume having a legal entity would make it easier to get donations to cover costs too.
“No longer active” presumably means “died in Ukraine?”
I’m taking it as “grew up and realised he had been an idiot, so stopped talking to them or supporting the cause”
What is chapo.chat? I can see that it runs Lemmy 0.19.8 but is it just not federated or something?
Seems to be kind of a backup domain/instance the hexbear admins have? Not sure to be honest, hopefully someone else can chime in
It’s the same instance. That’s just a synonymous hostname that points to the same IP address.
Right after the r/chapotraphouse sub got banned, they moved to chapo.chat, but the community wasn’t really that tied with the chapo trap house podcast anymore, so they moved to hexbear.net.
But they also said that the same issue will occur with it too, in time.
Well I’m impressed that just defederating from them was enough to basically kill the site.
I thought were defederated most of their existence though? I wonder what changed.
not everyone was, our instance held out as long as possible because were very pro free speech.
Nahh - further back, before they could even be defederated, they spent first years voluntarily isolating themselves from the larger fediverse. Just surprising is all, I was under the impression hexbear was very self sustaining.
Edit- looking like this wasn’t intentional, explains a lot.
Y’all defederated recently? Can you link the thread?
https://discuss.online/post/13916278
at least I think we did, not sure tbh. We definitely talked about it.
We absolutely definitely did:-)
You’re awesome
Ok thanks. Yeah you’re definitely defederated, you can see hexbear on the blocked instances tab.
What? That has nothing at all to do with the reason the domain expired. It has been in a predicament for a while, site admins lost contact with the owner of the domain name. This has been coming for some time.
My 3 favorite proposed alternative urls are tank.ie hexbearmoretankie.net and infinity.ai
If bean.is wasn’t so expensive it would win, full shot.
Omg an .ai TLD 🤢
Just add the following line to your host file and add an override to your DNS:
37.187.73.130 hexbear.netProblem solved, this is how we did it in 1985.
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Found their missing admin!
lol at the idea of just running the site off their laptop or something for all these years. Any time the site went down it was just them closing the lid.
This won’t work in the fediverse. Sure you’ll be able to reach hexbear but no fediverse server would be able to federate content into it.
no problem.
Is Hexbear even federated with anything?
You’re on one of the many instances Hexbear is federated with. It’s more that a few of the larger instances like .world are defederated.
I don’t see much Hexbear floating by here.
They show up on Lemmy.ml if someone federated with Hexbear posts there, as an example.
The instance that I’m on for example.
federation isn’t working for hexbear currently due to them loosing the domain
Ps. I was born in 1989. Lol
so that IP resolves to https://chapo.chat/ but it uses the Hexbear.net’s resources?oh now I understand…
yes that is the mirror hostname basically (they already had in the past as well).
But I’m now for example able to just visit: https://hexbear.net/communities. And yes I do believe we just reach the same server actually (more or less, maybe kept in sync manually).
I’ve done that as late as the 2010’s, but I am old timey
Popcorn! Get’cher popcorn here! Can’t have a good fedidrama without that delicious buttery popcorn!
I’ll have a large with extra salt, please.
Oh, hell, and some milk duds too, it’s gonna be a good show.
Don’t forget all the sparkling water provided by the colourful users of hexbear.
OMG!!!
I have more fitting memes. :D
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Please post them on the reaction memes community when you can, I don’t have much time to do it myself (T~T)
Will post some of them in a moment.
Fuck yeah!
It’s up to $1921 now lol
I enjoyed the community. Hope they find a new home.
They went through ban wave after ban wave and even their own internal dev team got burned out on the drama. I can’t say I’m surprised by this, but its the inevitable attrition that happens when you eat your own tail for years on end.
The purges were absolutely necessary for hexbear to provide a safe space for marginalized people.
I thought mandatory pronouns were dumb, but I was instantly proven wrong by the number of rabid transphobes who immediately identified themselves.
The purges were absolutely necessary for hexbear to provide a safe space for marginalized people.
Hedging new users (particularly the troll repeat offenders) in order to curb the worst impulses of Reddit Liberals was necessary. There were a number of pitches and proposals for how to do that, but none of them manifested. So it was left to the whims of any particular admin at any particular moment, leading to users getting perma-banned, appealed, reinstated, and then banned again.
Then you’d see people picked off for random heated arguments in the comments that had nothing to do with marginalized people. Being on the wrong side of DSA on any given day, liking/disliking a particular politician (be it Warren or Sanders or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz), or even just getting into arguments over the benefits of electoralism or entryism generally speaking got people zapped. Any kind of ill-informed take on Israel/Palestine was bannable. Fedjacketing was common-place. And the degree to which the Report button was used in place of the (disabled) downvote button could not be overstated.
This created a ton of work on admins/mods. And the workload, combined with the development/maintenance needs on the site, ultimately killed activity in the development channel.
I thought mandatory pronouns were dumb, but I was instantly proven wrong by the number of rabid transphobes who immediately identified themselves.
It wasn’t the rabid transphobes who did the site in. Go back through the modlogs and you’ll discover how many accounts were removed entirely because a given mod used the ban action as a way to win an argument on something utterly benign.
They’re a bunch of Fascists disguised as Communists. Don’t understand why anyone would enjoy spending time in that shithole.
Because it’s a breath of fresh air away from an internet filled with people like you
The bid is at $505.00!
Is Hexbear even worth that much?
Hexbear isn’t worth the dog shit I scraped off my shoe this morning.
The domain name isn’t worth anything, they’ve changed domain names before, they’ll do it again.
It will be funny that someone paid 500 dollars to make a communist domain redirect to /r/neoliberal or the wikipedia article on economics or the Black Book of Communism or something. Maybe declare Juan Guaidó the interim president of hexbear and redirect to his twitter.
That genuinely would be a funny troll
$1921 🤯 We need a Lemmy livestream for the countdown to it settling
That would’ve been some nice funding for the instances and fediverse developers.
