Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version I’d ever use. They didn’t know how right they were. I’ve been gradually switching to Linux, and will absolutely never use Windows 11 or any other version they put out.
I built a new gaming PC and installed Linux on it. After years of threatening to do it, I finally followed through and made the switch.
I just bought a laptop last year (portability and space constraints, I’d love to build a pc when I have the space for it) and it was supposed to come with windows 10.
I got a windows 11 model shipped to me. I didn’t ask for this. And I have to say… I fucking hate it. Why does the start menu need to change locations…
My next computer will absolutely be Linux, and it’s Microsoft’s own stupid fault. Windows 10 WAS supposed to be my last windows OS…
Win 11 is the reason I finally decided to switch. My work gave us all Win 11 machines and I hate it.
Fortunately I don’t do too much on my computer besides gaming so Steam can do all the heavy lifting for me
That would be great, but unfortunately for me I have too many programs that depend on windows, don’t have Linux options, and if I’m being honest with myself I really just don’t want to learn an entirely new ecosystem. I will if forced, but the moment this laptop shits itself or they discontinue support for the OS, I’m getting a crash course.
I’d love to turn an old tablet or somethinf into a Linux device in the meantime so I can at least start something. Too bad my parent’s old kindles won’t work, there’s enough of them laying around their house…
I’ve been making the switch on my own new PC, some programs I was concerned about can be run ok through Lutris. It’s been an adjustment but no regrets
I bought a laptop right after windows 11 was released. I hated it so much, I returned the laptop a few days later and bought a windows 10 one instead.
Completely Linux now except that gaming laptop, but this year is the year of the Linux desktop! For me at least.
Windows 11 is shit and you’d be much happier with Fedora. You don’t need a nrćew computer, just install it on this one. That said, you can move the start button to the left and even install https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu if you force yourself to try sticking with Windows
Good luck and godspeed
under the marketing it’s still 10.x.
Marketing is 11, I think you’re referring to the kernel version, which can’t change due to stupid legacy software.
I upgraded to Windows 11 on my gaming rig two days ago, and at the same time I switched the default boot option to Linux. Let’s see how this pans out.
I’ll still need Windows around for specific games, but the ones I usually play seem to work on Linux.
i’ll just use virtual machines for win11
Just like a Linux user to tell everyone they use Linux. Classic.
“How do you know [thing you only learn if people tell you]? don’t worry, they’ll tell you”
The whole point of the Sword of Damocles was that the threat was always looming and Damocles didn’t know when it might fall. We know exactly when Microsoft says they are going to drop support. There’s a decent chance that they’ll push that date back due to slow adoption at least once.
This is more about rats not fleeing the sinking ship until the sea has reached the bow.
More like rats not joining a leaking ship. I’ve been through enough windows upgrades to know: Don’t be the first! You’ll only end up paying to be a software tester for a product MS had to ship before it’s ready to keep the shareholders happy.
Don’t be the first one in the water after the shark warning …
With the shit they built into 10 I really would not be surprised if they put in a kill switch
“Sword of Damocles” like bitch we used service pack 2 XP for ever. “We won’t support something” means nothing if the original product was built right.
…Ohhh now I see the problem. Nevermind, everybody, carry on.
I know people still running XP sp3 (firewalled off the net) and it still does the job. They claimed to have killed 7 but between FOSS and enshittification pushback I reckon it’s gonna be like the PS2
Well, the real moment it becomes an issue is when a significant vulnerability is found after EOS. So I guess after EOS is when the sword of damocles starts hanging above every win 10 user…
Personally I’m on the edge of the ship just waiting to jump off once i have my new pc (probably next week).
They are gonna have to pry windows 10 from my cold dead hands. I was sold 10 on the premise that it was going to be “the last windows OS I would need”.
Fuck you Microsoft.
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Hmmm never had an issue with bloatware/spyware in Win11. I just turn things off if they ask me after and upgrade and away I go. Everything just works properly and the best part is all my devices work as expected.
Welcome to the club!
Windows 10 LTSC is supported until 2032 or so. I’ll be avoiding upgrading for a long time.
How do you get a copy of that? I tried poking around but MS has the shittiest docs.
Something about a mass grave.
Something something .dev
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Found a copy on archive.org.
After that, you just need a KMS activator. Massgrave’s is typically the recommended one.Ngl that looks sketchy as fuck. Definitely gonna check the hash on that one if I can.
You can also get the iso direct from Massgrave’s site, along with the KMS activator. Your choice, but I do expect the people behind the Internet Archive to have checked for malware in some capacity. They do have a legitimate research and archivist reputation to uphold.
Looking through things available in the Internet Archive, I don’t think there’s a lot of active moderation, to be honest.
I’m pretty sure the final version of Windows 10 LTSC 2021 had its window of support shortened to five years to align with the end of support. Only windows 10 LTSC 2019 has 10 years of support. If you’re using LTSC 2019 for gaming please be aware you will be missing any features released for windows 10 that were released after version 1809. This will harm game performance for a lot of newer titles and hardware.
I’m on IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. As far as I’m aware it’s up to date, and if not I don’t really use my PC for modern games anyway. Still good to know though.
At the moment I’m 50/50 between switching over to Linux full-time, or full booting Windows 10 LTSC.
But having had to use it for work, I am adamant in saying that Windows 11 will never touch my home system drive.
Linux
One of us, one of us, one of us.
I finally upgraded to 11 last week by accident. Apparently one misclick means straight to next version with no cancel. So after the upgrade first thing I did was get o&o shutup10 to kill the spywares.
P.s. I know I can revert. But that’s also effort.
Revert then.
This is exactly what Microsoft are counting on, that people will simply go “oh well” and just carry on with Windows 11, because any effort needed to move away is too much effort.
Prove them wrong. Stand up for yourself.
Y’all are crazy. This is a holy crusade lol
TIL having self-respect is “crazy” and a “holy crusade.”
What a fucking simp you are. Sad.
Lemmy be toxic yo
You say as dozens of foaming mouth lemmings pile on thinking themselves somehow as good for being this ingrained in their group think.
In other words, yeah, totally agree.
Why don’t you go smoke some weed you angry little man
Hadn’t heard of shutup10, I’ll be digging into this tonight
Have you succeeded in making things less crappy? I’ve been debating the upgrade for a while and I’m basically hoping this is possible by the time I do it. I already use shutup10 on win10, but I wasn’t if win11 kneecaps it somehow or not.
Start menu is permanently lacking features. But besides that it’s not a major change. There is third party softwares that puts back 10 style or other start menus, but heard there are issues with windows updates. Besides that just get shutup10 again and tick stuff off. Pretty much solves it imo.
What’s missing from start? I don’t actually use the start menu much so not sure I would miss anything anyway.
I thought I already replied to this, but apparently not. Sorry for the late response.
The start menu no longer has the windows 10 tiles. It’s just search and icons of apps you’ve pinned. Similar to phone app menu. You can put some into folders/groups together. And that’s it. There’s no further customization possible.
You can get third party solution to bring back more features such as Start11 from Stardock, but that means paying for an additional software and I’ve heard it gets buggy with windows updates.
No worries, and thanks for the reply!
Miss click? You could’ve read what it said though.
Sword of Damocles? More like the sword of Microsoft can go fuck itself!
I tried to switch to Linux several days ago, but there were clear issues regarding games that weren’t tied to Steam. Heroic Games Launcher, Lutris, Bottles, and so forth all had shortcomings regarding compatibility, handling of DLC, or lack of user-friendliness. Then I tried to use a VM, which was a frustrating rabbit hole. Virt-Manager supports GPU passthru, but you have to jump through hoops to identify PCI addresses and to configure correctly. Boxes initially seemed promising, but had no apparent way of storing the VM on my gaming drive. (Linux terminal commands are beyond my understanding.) Considering how big games are getting, and the size of my collection, that is a bad combo. Virtualbox doesn’t have GPU passthru, so the performance sucked.
As a gamer, I currently find Linux to be insufficient. I was wanting to switch due to security concerns regarding Microsoft, especially in light of the Trump Regime’s willingness to ignore law and norms. My concern is that they could use Windows as a spy, or to seal up my computer to punish those who go against Dogey America. As it is, I will have to use some scripts from Github to break Windows Update if I hear of Richmond being infiltrated by the Xitler Youth.
Here’s hoping that Gabe decides to invest much more heavily in Linux to make it casual friendly - I want my mods, cheats, Japanese locale games, emulators, and so forth to all work seamlessly and without compromise. I would seriously pay $400 smackers to have an OS that is capable, flexible, compatible, friendly, and most importantly, MINE.
The days of just buying Windows 7 Ultimate and not thinking about Microsoft was glorious.
Sorry it didn’t work out for you like Linux Mint works for me (I switched full time to LM in December 2024).
If you haven’t already, switch to Windows 10 LTSC in the interim. I have a feeling Linux will only improve over time with greater compatibility with Proton. Since Win 10 LTSC is supported until 2029, that’s plenty of time for for more kinks to be worked out and you can potentially try Linux again.
I am already on a Internet of Things edition, which is the debloated version of Windows. However, that still leaves the possibility of Microsoft going fascist and sending out a Big Brother update.
Regarding Linux, it was indeed Mint that I tried to use - it seemed similar to Windows, at least visually. Getting standard software was easy enough, and things seemed promising until I started to migrate my gaming. I mod my games a fair bit of the time, or play niche stuff that hardly has support on Windows. It became very apparent that Linux can’t handle that, not yet. In a couple of years I will revisit Linux.
What distro did you try?
I’ve been on bazzite for some time now and haven’t had any of those problems
You should definately look at PlayOnLinux for those game. It is an app to help leverage all Wine setup and configuration. Normally with Steam and this would should be able to run almost everything.
tried to use a VM
Yeah, this is where you went wrong. It’s possible, but it really doesn’t solve anything IMO, has the possibility of getting detected (so anticheat bans), and can often run worse. It’s possible to get a sane setup, but what are you really gaining over just dual booting? You’re still running Windows, after all, but now you have drawbacks (and some benefits) of a VM.
Can you be more specific about what didn’t work? As in, games, platforms, etc. If it’s a game with anticheat, you’re probably SOL on Linux, but I have Heroic working just fine on both my Linux desktop (openSUSE) and Steam Deck. I usually launch through Steam to use Steam input and manage Proton versions, and it seems to work fine for GOG and EGS. Some games have issues, so check protondb.com if that’s the case, but most work just fine.
The idea here with the VM is two-fold: First, to keep a potential Windows Big Brother update from spying on my documents and whatnot, while also preventing it from tampering with the security of my PC. Secondly, to maximize compatibility, since I lost trust in Linux to not have technical issues with my gaming. That means mods, Japanese games, emulators, and so forth. Windows is simply more reliable and documented, unlike Linux. If something goes wrong with a game playing on Windows, there is decent odds of me troubleshooting. My hardware should be able to handle a VM, it being a 5950x with a RTX 4090+3060, and 128gb of RAM.
Anyhow, I don’t really remember the specifics regarding how my efforts with Lutris, Heroic Game Launcher, and so forth went: I don’t like remembering unpleasant things. All that I recall is assorted errors or lack of features that rattled my willingness to trust Linux for gaming. I will try again some years for now, if I hear Linux has become more suitable to the task.
If it’s not an anticheat issue, Linux is probably suitable right now. Linux is quite different from Windows, but most problems have simple solutions if you know where to look, which usually means knowing who to ask.
That said, I think you’d be better off with a dual boot. That way you only need one GPU, and you can slowly move your gaming to Linux, falling back to Windows if something doesn’t work right.
That said, I totally understand if you’re burned out from it. Just know that there are a lot of Linux users who are happy to help if you get motivated to try again.
I switched to Nobara Linux at the end of last year, and for the most part when I consider how often I’d have to fix Windows stuff, it’s not that much more work. Still not the same though, and I keep a Windows partition around for certain stuff even though I groan having to load into it
If I did anything other than use my PC as a glorified gaming console, I might care about w10 not being updated anymore. Until games literally can’t work on the OS, I’ll stay on it. And when they do stop working, I’ll probably just install Linux.
Linux
Join us, you know you want to.
Pry it from my cold dead hands. I have linux on multiple computers, but it still can’t play all the games and give me my 5.1 surround. Despite all the claims, it’s still not ready for primetime to do all the things windows does.
What’s the issue with sound? I thought that was solved since… 15 years or so.
Can’t help with the games though, must anti cheat games won’t work without developer support. Do what you gotta do, but I’m interested in any issues that should be solvable with some config or swapping out a cheap card or something.
Can’t get the surround on my A50s. Yeah, normal stereo is fine out of the box.
Have you tried messing with either pulsesudio or alsamixer? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1304002/how-to-enable-5-1-sound-on-ubuntu-20-04#1304054
I personally just use stereo on my PC, but I’ve seen home theater setups w/ surround sound, so I know it’s possible.
I did try alsamixer. It just didn’t like something about the headset. I use an optical connection and a 3rd party surround card, so I don’t know if that’s the issue. It’s pretty much moot because the game I use surround on the most won’t run because of anti-cheat.
That’s too bad. If Linux becomes an option, please hop on a chat or something and I’m sure someone can get you sorted.
I’m one of them. My 6th generation processor means that Windows 10 will be the last version of windows that this machine runs.
This, to me, is the worst sin of Windows 11. One of the greatest benefits Windows had compared to macOS was that it used to be backward compatible with really old hardware. Real pro move to get rid of that.
Edit: I bought a cheap micro form factor PC that I thought would support Windows 11 natively. Haha, no, the 6 year old CPU on that was not supported.
For the curious I’ve found bazzite to be the best and easiest Linux distro for gaming
Installed Bazzite this weekend, most the games I’ve tested run fine and the OS is quite pretty. Microsoft forcing everyone to Spware OS after Steam released several versions or Proton are the one-two punch that will help tons of people move to Linux. 🐧
About to install it on my new rig. I am using Mint, which is fantastic and it stays on my other PC, just wanted to try the nice baked in gaming features.
Bazzite is amazing. Pretty much all Ublue based distros have been the most painless Linux experience I’ve had in years. The biggest problem I think most users have is the Dominance of Nvidia graphics hardware. Nvidia does “work” but it’s much more unstable than the much more stable AMD driver. I bought an AMD 7800xt and I’m pretty much problem free now.
Since I have so many Nvidia cards I’m regularly testing Nvidia under Bazzite on a spare 2070super. It’s impressive but it’s not ready for average users.
Yup bazzite with KDE plasma for my gaming rig now, thing works very well for use case!
nobara is looking good too for games ;-)
I didn’t like it as much personally
Does Bazzite (or any other distro) support HDR?
According to their page it does. Haven’t tested myself tho
Bazzite is designed for Linux newcomers and enthusiasts alike with Steam pre-installed, HDR & VRR support, improved CPU schedulers …
I mean, I tried for about a week…
Got a larger SSD and I wanted to reinstalled Windows, so I went through the whole getting Win11 thing, and it wouldn’t let me install it. Although I have a full blown paid for Home Edition Win 10 linked to my microsoft account.
It said I had to install Win 10 first, so I did… AFter all that, I went into windows update like is said, looked for the Win 11 update option… Doesn’t exist…
My AMD 5800X and everything else on my PC supports Win 11. It’s just not giving me the option.
So I gave up…
I’ll likely use Win10 until SteamOS is released…
I use Linux mint. Steam works great. The desktop works great. Like 5 min a month checking on updates and backups.
If you’re gaming then bazziteos is pretty good
So is pretty much any Linux distro. Don’t pick a distro because it says “gaming,” they’re all extremely similar. Pick a distro because it looks nice and you can get help when you need it.
That’s what I initially thought too, but as soon as you install it, it gives you the option to install Steam, lutris, Wine, and some other gamer stuff. It basically feels similar to Windows people know and has been stable for me.
Sure, you can use vanilla Fedora and put all of the stuff yourself but the point of this is it’s ready to go out of the box.
But it’s really not hard to install on any distro. I could pick up any distro and be downloading games on Steam and Heroic in <15 min, just like on Windows, and that’s without knowing anything about the distro. I don’t even use Lutris anymore, Heroic + Steam is more than enough.
That’s my point. A “gaming” distro doesn’t have any pivotal secret sauce that make games work there that don’t elsewhere. It might be tuned a little, but unless you’re watching framerates closely, you probably won’t notice. And you can always rice whatever you pick of you really want those 1-2FPS gainz.
I’m not saying they’re “bad,” just saying Linux is Linux, so use what makes you happy.
Definitely, but bazziteos is catered to more new people or people who don’t want to spend a lot of time getting stuff to work. I use arch on two computers and have bazzite on another computer I know I want to be more stable than arch and not spend time fixing it
There are a lot of options between Arch and Bazzite. Arch is bleeding edge with very few guardrails, whereas Bazzite has a read-only filesystem and tries its hardest to stop you from breaking stuff (e.g. like a console).
I never recommend Arch to new users because there are just way too many ways to break it. it’s a great distro (I used it for 5+ years), but it’s not a good option for new users. I usually recommend Mint, Debian, or Fedora, because they’re pretty stable, popular, and you’re unlikely to break stuff by normal tinkering. I personally use openSUSE Tumbleweed, which is safer than Arch (openQA testing of packages + snapper by default) but still bleeding edge, which works for me, but I also don’t recommend that either just because of how much churn there is in the packages.
If you only want to play games and want something like a Steam Deck experience, Bazzite may be the best option. My point isn’t that Bazzite is bad, but that it’s not the only or necessarily best option.
They recently made changes so that you can’t easily upgrade anymore. I think you still can if you find the right hoops to jump through but this exact issue came up recently
I enjoy this headline writing style. Imagine if we turned “try these 7 tricks” headlines into “Dionysius I of Syracuse would like you to try these”
