People in this thread who stated the tattoos were clear criminal evidence.
https://www.irishstar.com/sport/soccer/donald-trump-salvador-real-madrid-34923654
Hitler specifically called the U.S. treatment of indigenous people an inspiration, and used it as his basis for treating Jews, gays, communists, intellectuals, and all the other victims of the Third Reich. tRump and his Fourth Reich is just coming full circle.
Reminder that before all this El Salvador was sweeping up anyone and I mean anyone they found on the street during their sweeps and throwing them in huge overcrowded cells to await mass trials without representation.
even more damning that the populace has cheered for it; non of the human right abuses matter so long as it’s not them.
With tattoos
Thanks to modern technology we can watch the whole thing unfold in real time!
It seems this new technology is not much benefit in stopping it? Observers are great, powerless and disorganized ones not so much.
Too many people live in willful ignorance
You can see the obvious big picture and scream from the rooftops, but everyone who is comfortable enough and in denial that things are actually that bad straight up just ignore you
It’s only now that people are starting to get their wakeup calls, like a lot of Europe, for example
But god, if it isn’t super frustrating to watch the local news in my European country and have politicians repeatedly say “nobody thought we would be standing here talking about this 4 years ago”
I did, fuckers! I did!! The fascist threat was obvious ever since the first trump presidency, and the trends could clearly be seen from even before then, however, I was a child at that time
I don’t get it. Especially because politicians are supposed to be the experts in trends like this. Is everyone just fucking clueless??
I swear most people are just so neoliberal ideology brained, and heavily struggle seeing anything outside of that. It’s been a massive failure on the part of society that political philosophy has not been a bigger part of the education curriculum. Or part of it, at all.
This sums it up nicelyI’m not sure how relevant this is outside the USA; but when I was helping build grassroots for social activism in Texas - I realized people had forgotten how! Their grandparents could, and did. I saw it as a child.
But something happened over two generations, and the knowledge was not handed down, or was not applicable when things changed so much .
I remember enough to know critical things in the community is missing. I suspect a major missing piece is that people stay indoors too much.
Same in Germany. I don’t know what it is either but I’m convinced it’s related to the loneliness epidemic among the younger generation. People have seemingly stopped connecting in meaningful ways in general. No more religion, no more sports teams, working from home and getting your social interaction fix through social media. I think all of this is seriously starting to take its toll.
Everybody works too much yet they can’t afford anything. Going out to do anything costs money and not a trivial amount, and everyone’s too tired after working so much to go anyways. Combined with bad work schedules it makes for a truly antisocial combination. Consider the fact that at one point in the 20th century the average British man spent more at the bar than he did on housing. That’s not good for your liver but the point stands that it’l was possible to do that and not anymore.
It’s a European tradition to spectate torture and execution for entertainment.
fuck yeah, subcontracting out the concentration camps!
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Those are send by Trump without any sort of trial. Nothing to do with El Salvador cracking down hard on gangs.
I’m inclined to ask you to re-read your comment because I really can’t make sense of it.
The first paragraph doesn’t make much sense at all given how it is written. In the second you say “it saved the country,” and if you’re trying to say that forcefully deporting people out of America without reason or due process “saved the country” you’re 100% going to have cite a source, or at least give a reason for why you think that’s true.
I get what he’s saying, but he added like no context so everyone is confused (including him because he seems to not realize the OP is about Trump)
The president of El Salvador is famous for taking a “hard stance” on gangs, by basically doing the same thing Trump is doing. He rounded up thousands of suspected gang members and threw them into forced labor camps without any kind of due process. That’s why Trump is sending these immigrants to El Salvador, because the president is a vicious dictator who doesn’t care about human rights.
It has been a massive scandal for a while in LatAm news, but it’s the same tired old strongman bullshit you see in many places in South/Central America (and now in the north too!). Effective propaganda and control over the military means the problem won’t be solved without foreign intervention and/or a spontaneous combustion event involving government leaders.
I think in the first paragraph, he meant El Salvador. Said country had huge gang violence problem which Bukele improved, but at the cost of severe human rights violation.
Given the edit, I think you’re right even though the post is clearly about Trump deporting people without due process.
i think you make some nuanced points.
fixing things is messy and sometimes, even your enemies can deliver improvements. i’m not so mired in politics i can’t see objectively. i still think the administration should be toppled by any means necessary if we want to truly save america from eternal dystopia.
Some of you may die, which is a sacrifice, I’m willing to make.
Are you defending the pic on the left or the right? Or both?
Dachau didn’t open until 3 months after Hitler took power. They are right on track.
The picture on the left is from when the prison first opened, so won’t show any of the deportees
Oh hell. OTOH, I’d imagine we have no reason to think it’s looking better these days.
Still, thanks for the correction, I took that as I found it.
Next week:
You know what, it’s fine. At least you’ll be sitting in a lower ring of hell than me for laughing at this. 😌
“Accused of being gang members” lmao let’s be clear here 90% of these dudes literally have gang tattoos 🙈
Also you can cover tattoos at any time, it’s not that hard.
I’ve been in the tattoo scene since the 90s and have a full body of tattoos myself and everybody knows that a gang tattoo is a point if no return and basically the dumbest thing you can do. If you went there then I have zero sympathy for you.
“innocent until proven to have tattoos”
But they’re innocent until there’s proof of guilt. Sending people to forced labour encampments because of their tattoos is just a different nazi move.
Even if 99% of them are actually gang member, then there is still a bunch of innocent people locked up. Using the word ‘accused’ or ‘suspected’ isn’t meant to cause doubt, it’s to make clear they haven’t been convicted. I really wouldn’t want to be falsely accused and treated as these men are, and it’s really awful knowing some of them could be there without having done anything wrong.
Can you point out the criminal statue against certain tattoos? After that would you mind showing me where they were convicted for those tattoos. Then I’d appreciate a link to the federal sentencing guidelines on tattoo-related offenses that suggest forced labor camps overseas.
Even if they are gang members they still should have due process and a trial. This is one of the foundations of our legal system. Where does that leave us if we just leave it to law enforcement to throw anyone in prison without any oversight? That’s straight up authoritarianism you’re arguing for.
This administration really shows how little of a fuck the party that won’t stop jerking themselves off about the constitution actually give about what it says.
What are you talking about. This is El Salvador not US.
Have a read of the article old bean. They are being sent to El Salvador from the US, in violation of any number of US laws, including the big one, the Constitution of the USA.
Nah dude you shouldn’t expect non-americans to keep up with clown show. Keep your clowns in your clown car.
Then why are you here, clown?
You mean on a global platform on a global community?
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Is that your stance on immigration then? Clowns in wrong car? Because that’s a shit stance on immigration that is.
What? I’m not an American
I’m not a Dyson sphere. But what do either of these items have to do with our conversation?
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Lmao, that’s your response to not reading the article before commenting? Talk about clowns…
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Honestly, when I was a kid, one of my classmates dressed up like that and I’m pretty sure he would tag around the school. The kid was a trouble maker. But that doesn’t mean much when I realized that he was homeless and his mom would still clean him up and send him to school.
You see, it isn’t so bad, they can sit up!
A little reminder, apparently Salvadorians are loving Bukele for this.
I tried reminding them that, removing due-process is a can-of-worms that you rather not open
there are people in other parts of latam that want that same shit in their own countries…
where there are marches asking where the people that were “disappeared” during the dictatorship went.
well i guess they weren’t against it, they were just really curious. like at a magic show!
Remember kids, fascism only ends one way.
Only one way, but there are many ways to approach that way. My favorite is the Italian method.
My favorite way to approach them is the donkey punch method as well!
Yeah no viva Bukele
People saying “if you arrest all those gang members economy will collapse because even though they get their money from illicit activities they still spend it back into the economy”
Nayib Bukele “dude are you fucking stupid?” they arrested the violent criminals and the ones that organized themselves in violence promoting bands… and they GDP went up by like 5% I believe? mainly because honest working people didn’t have to struggle against the villain.
Nah those pieces of shit are there for a reason, society and tolerance are a social contract… you respect it and you fall under it, you don’t then you feck off.
ARRIBA BUKELE!!
Did you catch the words “without proof”, and “without due process” in the OP? It would appear that these people pictured are innocent.
Ok, so I’ve never been a “meme” guy and think it’s stupid we have to force everything into the “meme” format but seriously, this is not a meme. I don’t think it should be removed but just sayin.
