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EU households should stockpile essential supplies to survive at least 72 hours of crisis, Brussels has proposed, as Russia’s war in Ukraine and a darkening geopolitical landscape prompt the bloc to take new steps to increase its security.
The continuing conflict in Ukraine, the Covid-19 pandemic that brutally exposed a lack of crisis response capabilities and the Trump administration’s adversarial stance towards Europe have forced the continent to rethink its vulnerabilities and increase spending on defence and security.
The new initiative comes as European intelligence agencies warn that Russia could attack an EU member state within three to five years, adding to natural threats including floods and wildfires worsened by climate change and societal risks such as financial crises.
Europe faced increased threats “including the possibility of armed aggression against member states”, the European Commission warned on Wednesday as it published a 30-step plan for its 27 capitals to increase their preparedness for crisis and mitigation measures.
I’m from EU and this is way less than my country suggests, which is 2 weeks.
I actually have 2 weeks supplies, but I’m gonna eat baked beans and vegan chocolate and drink coke zero the last few days 😅
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Wait, what do.you think “vegan” means?
Slightly less percentage of raw red meat in the final product, with cute packaging featuring the color green
Not sure if trolling.
Joking, but not trying to troll
So jokes aside, do you really think veganism is just eating a little less meat of a certain type?
No. Why do you assume I don’t know what veganism is, after I already said I was joking? It’s not eating animal food products, including not eating foods that contain some animal food products. Let’s please finish this conversation…
In case it’s not clear by now, chocolate sometimes has milk and I guess OP doesn’t like dark chocolate.
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That’s “vegetarian”. Veganism avoids all animal products (there’s more to it than that, but that’s the simple version), so the dairy in most chocolate is out
Vegetarian is not just “without meat”, it means “no animal has to die for me”. That also technically excludes some cheeses as they contain rennet (although this is often overlooked due to nescience). Plus we’re only talking food right now, not clothing and other lifestyle products.
It bothers me that vegetarians don’t care beyond this very un-though-through concept of ‘animals dying’.
Dairy is a product of the mass rape and imprisonment of cows in horrific factory farms, and chickens are also kept in massively over crowded and unsanitary conditions.
And this is not to mention the constant cullings of male animals, which aren’t considered food as testosterone tastes so bad, and male animals can’t produce eggs or milk.
Or the constant culling of animals that no longer produce eggs or milk to quota.
Or the mass culling of the diseased or at risk of disease from being forced to live in such disgusting environments.
Vegetarianism is not a moral stance, it’s delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
I get what you want to say and principally, I agree. However, I would highly advise against making better the enemy of perfect. Vegetarians usually are on the right track, they’re often just not educated enough, thinking that some animal products can be sourced ethically (as demonstrated by the other comment).
In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.In ireland, free range eggs are the norm, and most cows graze on actual fields. but, we have barely any wild areas anymore,.
I mean, plant agriculture isn’t exactly great for wildlife either. Hell, being wildlife isn’t great for wildlife. We theoretically could keep animals in a way that’s fine for them, we just usually don’t.
I eat a mix of free-range eggs and backyard eggs, and avoid milk where possible. Unfortunately the challenge scales pretty rapidly after that. Directly eating meat that can only be gotten in an unethical way feels a lot worse.
It’s delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
How does the math on that work? Less animals harmed is less animals harmed.
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I think there’s an AI generated chocolate beans meme hidden somewhere.
Here we only have very short wars, because we’ve got other things to do.
Yeah, I live halfway up a small mountain (in Europe) and usually have everything needed to survive a month, including if the water and power are cut.
We’re currently putting together a pair of bug-out bags as well though, so we can be mobile in an emergency too
Just a question for people here who do not have 72 hours of food stored in their homes? Do you go to the supermarket every day? Or do you cook at all? What are you doing on the weekend? What happens when you’re sick and can’t go shopping?
Do you go to the supermarket every day?
There’s 5 food stores <7 minutes away from my apartment,. Why stockpile when you can just walk and pick up fresh food every other day.
What happens when you’re sick and can’t go shopping?
Is that a common occurrence? Just get a friend or family member to shop for you if you’re that ill, or order food delivery.
But don’t you still have some staple stuff like noodles, rice, frozen or canned foods and so on in your house? Combined with the fact that you might buy food in larger quantities (e.g. not just 1 apple, but 6 or maybe 1kg), i’d also imagine that most people have enough food for 3 days in their house.
The imo more interesting thing would be fresh water.
Rice and onions are just about the only thing I have that last more than a few days. I don’t buy frozen food as I’ll just buy what I need at the store, 90% of my diet is just bread, eggs, chicken and rice, and 1.4kg of chicken is gone within 2-3 days.
You could always just lower your caloric intake if food became scarce.
The imo more interesting thing would be fresh water.
Tap water quality is great in Norway so water is something I never buy unless I forgot to fill up a bottle on a road trip. I don’t really know anyone other soda addicts that keep liquid stored at notable quantities.
Belgium is moving more and more to a much better place just because of regulations anyeay
Solar panels and batteries in a shit ton of homes because of energy prices and older government incentives
10000L rain water tanks because government regulations now require rainwater hookups for future toilers and washing machines plus water is expensive here
Induction stoves to not have to put extraction fans in the kitchen to the outside to boost energy EPC ratings (resale value)
We always have a bunch of potatoes and cans of tomatoes and pasta for fries, mashed potatoes, or different pastas (but maybe that is just my family)
A ton of people would be quite OK for a while here I think.
Solar panels and batteries in a shit ton of homes because of energy prices and older government incentives
Yeah, the rise of balcony and roof solar modules here in Germany probably helps us in a similar way.
10000L rain water tanks because government regulations now require rainwater hookups for future toilers and washing machines plus water is expensive here
That on the other hand i don’t think is common and especially in cities i don’t think that’s a thing anywhere. So imo drinking water probably remains the most serious bottleneck, if it were ever compromised.
Might happen at the end of month for me. We go grocery shopping with a car at the beginning of the month, but 31 days are longer than my freezer is big and a backpack can only hold so much. So I respectfully ask Putin not to attack on the 29th.
I have 2 days worth of food in my home. 4 days worth of lunch. When the 2 days of food runs out, I buy more on my way home. Same goes for when the lunch runs out. Meaning if I’m caught at a bad time, I’ll have 0 food
I grocery shop every 2 weeks and at any given time I have a month of food in stock. because I live in a hemisphere with hurricanes.
Do you have 72 hours of food supplies that you can use in case of an emergency? When there is no water and no electricity, and you can’t cook mac&cheese in the oven.
I assumed most everyone had at least two weeks of emergency supplies. Like I have a stock of a couple weeks supply of food and water in the basement in case of emergencies, that’s what my parents taught me was the bare minimum in case of emergencies.
Yep, I have four supermarkets and two discounters in walkable distance and it makes me walk and leave the house daily. Plus my back’s not the healthiest and I can’t carry that much anymore.
You’d be amazed the lack of foresight most have.
When CoViD hit, I was able to avoid shopping trips for nearly six months, due to having a well prepared pantry. At best, I would go every other week to the store for mostly fruit, which is something I find hard to preserve without requiring huge amounts of sugars, of which I shy away, for personal reasons.
Supermarket daily, mostly microwave stuff.
I eat what I buy. If I buy a days food I’ll eat it in a day, if I buy 2 days food I’ll probably also eat that in 1 day. If I’m sick I wear a mask, if I’m super sick I ask someone to deliver me some shopping but then it is more than a days worth because I don’t want to ask someone to do my shopping every day.
Yes, I live right next to a store.
Meanwhile, here in the Uk our government is making sure we won’t have enough money to buy more than two days of food at a time.
I mean, 14 consecutive years of Conservative leadership will do that to the best of nations.
No doubt the UK has a MASSIVE uphill struggle ahead to bring back a sense of prosperity for its people, but it’s a bit disingenuous to make it sound as though it’s the fault of a Government that’s been in power for less than a year so far.
It can take mere seconds to destroy something, and multiple times longer than that to fix it.
In Australia, we are a couple years ahead of the UK (in terms of our first Labor Gov’t following a decade+ of Conservative leadership); things don’t magically get better overnight, but we are at least on the correct path now — here’s hoping we don’t fuck things up by voting the Cons back in later this year 😫
Oh I’m well aware that the Con govmnt has been an appalling dismantling of our country, but Labour are so far appearing to largely be following suit. Remember the Tory repetition about the need for austerity? It just feels like a repeat of that, to put it very breifly. I know 14 years can’t be fixed overnight, but shitting on the poor and needy, who have been suffering the most already is just grotesque. There’s plenty of condemnation by journalists and MPs alike for this as well as some calls to tax the rich instead.
I’ve never voted for either so I’m looking at what they do through neutral(ish!) eyes and I don’t see politics so much an ever increasing pandering to the corporate economy (over decades).
I can’t say I’m too knowledgable about Aus politics, but got glimpses of how bad your last govmnt was through the Guardian. Hope you have a better time than us with a new set of faces!
Do what you can to get your people onto here either through Lemmy itself or Voyager for Lemmy along with:
Bluesky @bsky (All these on Bluesky), Flashes @flashes, Spark @sprk.so, Element @thematrixfoundation, Revolt @revolt.chat, Resonite (For fun) @resonite, & PeerTube @joinpeertube
Gotta say the UK needs its own version of Run For Something @runforsomething organization. With multiple other accounts and organizations unifying to get stuff done as well
Best of luck to ya mate, grow the movement in your country everyday!!
Run for Something sounds good. We have a fairly healthy number of independent politicians in the UK I think but something like that can only help improve peoples involvement in local snd national government.
Assuming you’re from the US by sharing that, I hope you have more than luck to help over there!
Thank goodness that wars only last for 3 days exactly.
I don’t enjoy archived links that much, so here is the plan, straight from the EU.
I’m happy I’m growing my own food.
Though I don’t think much will happen to Ireland.
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Yam tits! That is genuinely a new one for me. Excellent.
I’ll never, as long as I may live, get over the utter embarrassment of being born and raised in a country who could support that maniac. I suppose the worst thing I could do is leave. The only way to alleviate my shame is to stay and keep voting for the least insane option.
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I’ve almost fully figured out how to live off just cans at this point. I also have a basement greenhouse in the works, although I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the local commercial options.
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Yeah, not too far off from my situation. A full-blown greenhouse sounds awesome, I can only dream of that. How much time do you spend tending it?
Mine is basically just to grow enough leafy greens to prevent scurvy and supply enough to go in sandwiches and maybe salads. Interestingly, parsley has the most vitamin C of non-tropical crops.
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Hmm. Is there not enough sunlight Dec/Jan? If you could keep some things ready to harvest all year you wouldn’t have to worry so much about that.
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Rice pudding comes in cans, so I should be fine.
It’s not very good in my experience, though. Super watery. On the other hand, the canned custard is great.
What brand? Idk if its in canada, but I buy the Ambrosia brand and its very thick.
Hmm, maybe I just got a bad can or something. The custard is definitely Ambrosia. Maybe I bought a cheap generic…
I’m not sure, it was a long time ago, and I only did it once. Maybe I’ll try again.
I guess it helps that Ireland is an island, though our defence is a joke. Our current plan is to rely on other countries for help.
Canada being highly dependant on imports, some items could completely disappear from stores in the even of a global conflict
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I read that as 72 days at first and thought something serious was expected soon. Oh, 72 HOURS. Who doesn’t have that?
Also unless you are on the border, how useful is that likely to be? What would the expectation be, only short term supply chain disruption so shops may run out of something in the first few days but after that food supply will adjust to it?
I don’t think the preparation is meant for full blown war. It’s for disruptions.
Russia won’t be able drive tanks all over Europe any time soon, but they are capable of cutting cables to attack energy distribution, hacking payment methods and other infrastructure dependent on networks.
Remember the start of Covid? There was plenty of toiletpapir, hand sanitizer and test kits for everyone, but nobody could get it in stores for a long time because everyone wanted it at the same time. It’s better if everyone stock up over a longer period of time, so it doesn’t crash the supply chain when it is needed.
That makes quite a bit of sense as to how it would be useful.
Germany’s advice for normal times is to be stocked up for 11 days. 3 Days compared to that is laughable even so it is better than 0.
Its not really something I think of because I am going to have easily days worth of food without even having to think about it. Stuff like pasta, rice and flour.
11 days not so sure on, if I had just been shopping at the start of the 11 days then easily, but if it was from just before I go shopping then its harder to say. I would most likely be able to ration out what is left to cover 11 days but its going to be pretty basic by the end of it. Like fried rice with salt and pepper kind of thing.
If your food needs water to be eaten then you need to store that extra water, which is by far the largest part you need to keep.
I have rainwater collection, boil it and it should be safe to drink.
Boil it without electricity?
Fire
I have tablets for purifying and rainwater, but that needs rain, and in winter it means fuel.
Food for these days should not be dependent on water.
Unlikely to get that cold here that everything completely freezes, usually keep enough wood dry to boil a fair bit of water and I can easily go out to get more of necessary.
That’s good, then can you read your original comment and see that other people are in other places with other situations? 😌
Nope the advice of BBK (Federal office of civil protection and disaster assistance) recommends to have consisted stocks for 11 days including water for drinking, basic hygiene and cooking.
Looks like that would be 6KG of rice for 2 people if done with rice alone. Don’t have that much, though with other ingredients typically in the kitchen I would probably be alright. Cooking oil is like 9000kcal for a litre. Fry the rice then would make it go further.
Obviously chugging oil alone is unpleasant but you can just add a bit more than normal if you need to internationally increase the kcal of some meals.
I don’t have 72hrs of food at home, because I have almost no self control. 2 days of food can very easily also be one day of food haha
I could survive 72 hours on the food I have at home at any time, it won’t be grand tho and I’ll still need electricity to make most of it.
Once I move I’m planning on having a small stockpile (cause I’ll finally have space for it) to last about 2 weeks or so, worst case I just need to eat it and restock it later and best case it saves me a lot of hassle in a crisis.
Yeah, if you have the space to store stuff and make a fire for cooking it’s just a matter of recipes and FIFOing your stockpile to keep everything nutritious and (in some cases) not stale. If I was in a confined space it would be much more of a challenge, I might end up going with surplus military rations. That’s basically what they’re designed for, after all.
72 hours, the average length of a special military operation.
My grandma lived through WWII and rationing. After she died, we were cleaning out her house to find she had hidden cans of food stockpiled everywhere: behind the washing machine, in the pit in her garage, in the corners of her loft, everywhere.
If rationing ever came back in, she was more than ready for it.
72 hours of food is just grocery shopping
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3 day…cades
It’s not impossible they’re saying this because they figure that’s how fast the EU could beat Russia if Russia tried something. Or else you’d be dead from a nuke anyway.
To survive the 3day smo you need a battery bank, some candles/flashlights as long as you don’t live on the border.
72 hours of food is crazy to me. I would be making a trip to the store when down to maybe a week or two.
Guess Europe really does shop different.
I have half a dozen supermarkets in 10min radius by foot. multiple more if I use a bike/scooter.
There’s really not much use in stocking huge amounts of food at home, especially when you want to cook fresh stuff.
Non-perishable things like canned and frozen meals is mainly used as a fallback in case of lazyness (ignoring canned stuff for ingredients)
I go to the supermarket at least once a week. normally 2-3 times
Completely depends on how you live.
Someone who lives in a house with plenty of storage and a 30 minute drive to the nearest store will have a lot of food at home. Whereas someone who lives in a tiny apartment with a five minute walk to the store will not.
In general, places like American suburbs, with huge single-family homes, no stores and complete reliance on cars, are rare in Europe.
I don’t live in the states, but the reliance on driving here is real. Small towns are lucky to have one grocery store and are usually very expensive.
I prefer eating fresh food, which means that I usually have to go to the store roughly every other day. If I buy more than a couple days of food, it just means more crap in the fridge and more spoilage.
And if my food did last longer than a few days without spoiling, then I’d really start to question what it was made of…
Editing to add that this is easily possible because I have several stores within a short walk or ride on the transit, as it was also pointed out in a sibling comment.
I guess where I am there is limited fresh food available anyway. Other then breadstuffs and the odd tomato/lettuce the stuff I get at the store has to last at least 2 weeks. Also might be why I appreciate my garden so much.
A lot of us shop once a week or so too, but most things people want are fresh baked goods, fruits, vegetables, milk and other fast-spoiling things.
That has been the recommendation for civil protection for a while already. Not so much because of the risks of war, but e. g. floodings, power outages, storms etc. And most importantly you should stockpile water, because at a power outage, there will be no tap water anymore. That’s the most important bit people here seem to forget. So nothing new here, actually.
Given how quickly supermarket shelves emptied at the start of COVID, this is good advice generally for a crisis.
True. We had a pretty big storm here a couple of years ago and the next day the supermarket shelves were almost empty. We really don’t usually think about how fragile the supply chain is when it comes to a crisis.
