This game has been such a hard litmus test for “what would it take to get you to purchase another Assassins Creed game?” for me.
Like, “Would you buy it if it was just a genuienly good Assassins Creed game?” - Paid Ubisoft Reviewer
“No, I’ve played them during their heyday and I’m a bit over the formula” - Tired Inner gamer
“But what if it had Samurai, including the certified BAMF Yasuke?” - Ubi Devs
“hmm… I do love Samurai and Yasuke… but no, I don’t think that would do it. I don’t like Ubisoft’s business practices and would rather not support it even if it speaks to my inner Chanbara nerd.” - Inner Anti-corpo voice
“Not even if Ubisoft was taking a strong stance against the Anti-Woke nonsense culture wars? You couldn’t even let their business practices go for just one game?” - Ubi Marketing team
“No no no, I know that businesses only take these stances when it’s profitable. They would just as easily take the opposite opinion if that was where the money was at.” - Inner cynic voice
“But what if we dunked on Elon, on his own platform no less?” - AC twiiter account
“okay…I’m in… but only when it goes on a good Steam sale” - Defeated sense of self
I’ll buy another Ubisoft game when they get rid of microtransactions, pre orders of multiple different collector’s editions and all the other anti-consumer monetization schemes. So, right after hell has frozen over.
lol, fair enough.
You right.
I have been a huge AC fan since AC 2. In fact, I am currently replaying AC 2 to recapture the good times. But, Valhalla was the last straw. AC games have become too bloated for their own good. I gave up on AC for good.
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lol, that’s a fair take. Though I do love learning about history in games. And I enjoy when games allow me the chance to live out some childhood fantasy. So in that sense, I do care about the color of pixels, and shape, and implied fiction behind it all.
But different strokes for different folks.
Tired inner gamer. The original AC got boring for me. Just lots of repetitive uncreative climbing to complete collections. They they came out with Uplay with AC2 and i keep going back to “is this game worth creating an account and giving up my personal information to play, when there are multiple other games available with a better value proposition for my time, money, and privacy?”
The answer (for ubisoft) is invariably no. So i’ve effectively been on an unintentional Ubisoft boycott since 2008 since i refuse to create an account.
Good on ya! Fight the good fight!
Personally, I dug the “social stealth” mechanics in the early AC games, especially as it was a interesting deviation from the more line of sight based formula of the MGS games, and the light/shadow based stealth of the Theif and Splinter Cell series (everything old is new again in that regards), but I’ve always been a fan of stealth games anyway. And I found the climbing and parkour to be fun and novel at the time, even if it is extremely “automated”.
Was fortunate enough to just rent AC 1&2 for the 360 at the time, so uPlay never really entered into my decision making.
But yeah, if you were a completionist, I could see how that would get extremely boring. And Ubisoft’s business practices are super shitty.
I would like to add “stop with the marathon cutscenes!” - Maybe then I’d buy it on a deep sale
Yeah, I’ve heard the story is… not a particularly strong aspect of the game to put it nicely. Maybe like, a 90% sale. I’d pay $7.99 for it! I bet I could get it down to a buck an hour at least at that price.
You think you can finish the game in 8 hours? Or you think without all the blathering it would be 8? 😂
Oh god, I hear people take 50+ hours on this one, if that turns out to be 42+ of cut scenes I’m out.
But honestly, doubt I could finish the game at all. I think I’d lose interest in about 8 hours, maybe 12? I have a tendency to drop overly long open world games randomly, even when I’m actively enjoying them. It’s a problem.
But if they don’t let me skip the overly long cut scenes… I would probably have a hard time coming back after the first night. You gotta be real good at your job to get me to watch a movie when I wanna be playing a game.
50+ hours
No AC game should be that long, the formula gets old after ~20.
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I have the same problem. When open world was new it was different but now open world just means generic and boring more often than not. The Zelda games kept me interested, Cyberpunk 2077 did as well but I used to play a pen and paper RPG a lot like it so I was going to like it no matter what. Otherwise I’d rather something unique and different.
I put a ton of hours into Astroneer if that counts. A hundred hours on my own and about the with my son which was a blast!
Enemy of my enemy doesn’t matter to me here. Fuck Ubisoft and Elon. They can all gargle my nuts.
Correcting course is a good thing. If elon were to change course and spend all his energy ending world hunger or something, I wouldnt shit on him for it. I dont think it will happen with him, and if it did it would take years before I’d believe it was earnest, but we should allow people room to grow and change based on prior mistakes.
All that said I’ll most likely not play shadows. Assassins creed as a whole is somewhat stale. Ive ridden that ride so many times.
Ubisoft has made many of my favorite games over the years. Their actions these last few years have cemented them as a company I will never give another penny to.
I never gave Elon any money as I don’t own any Tesla and I never use Twitter, but I don’t think that he will ever see a penny from me either.
It won’t. I still hear Gamers™ complaining about this game being “woke.” Which makes me want to throw money at it except fuck Ubisoft.
I read some really racist xit yesterday on here, under the pretense of “my historical accuracy is so offended!”
It was almost hilarious, like a really average greentext on 4chan.
So I guess that’s nice to see such rabid reaction. And just for that I appreciate the game being there and not bending over.God I hope all this backlash backlash about owning the people that are complaining about a black guy in japan doesn’t end up translating to “buying this Ubislop is praxis!”
Who am I kidding, of course it will.
In this damn thread there is a lot of this.
Everybody in here buying Che shirts from Hot Topic.
What a perfect analogy.
I think the real end to the culture war nonsense came after Thomas Lockely was caught red handed fabricating the words of people who allegedly met “black samurai” Yasuke to embellish his story, rewrite Japanese history to be more “diverse”, and sell books, which was a while ago. Or in other words, it was proven beyond any doubt that the very premise of AS:S was, itself, “culture war nonsense”.
It should be pretty clear which side was in the right.
The side that isn’t getting up in arms over historical inaccuracies in the AC series, which has always been at best “history adjacent” and heavy on embellishment anyway?
Certainly you don’t mean the side that waited until the embellishment involved a black person to start giving a fuck right?
Interesting article. Disappointing to see that it’s likely Yasuke’s role in history was greatly embellished just to sell books to the Western world. And disappointing to see that Ubisoft didn’t do their due diligence in researching him.
That being said, the game is a blast to play. Historical inaccuracies aside, I’d say it’s the best entry in the Assassin’s Creed series since Black Flag, which was also fraught with historical inaccuracies.
I hate to break it to you but the cyclops in AC Odyssey isn’t real either. They’ve never been historical accurate. They are loosely inspired by past events at best.
Before I begin my retort, I feel I should preemptively defend myself against those who only assume the worst in others: The only dog I have in this fight is the dog of objectivity. Dogjectivity. Objectividog?
Anyway, comparing a real person to a fictional monster is missing the point. I love the game and I really like Yasuke’s part of the story, but it’s inconsistent with Ubisoft’s previous approach of keeping the events and characters as true to history as good gameplay would allow, while throwing in bits of embellishment here and there to keep things fun.
I honestly wouldn’t change anything about the game, but there should maybe be a disclaimer that Yasuke’s real role in history is not truly known, but they chose the most fun version of events, even if it’s likely untrue.
It’s not missing the point like you claim. It’s you applying an expectation of realism on a series that never had it.
it’s inconsistent with Ubisoft’s previous approach of keeping the events and characters as true to history as good gameplay would allow
In pervious games they mention DaVinci and his creations for the Assassin’s. He was a real person. But he didn’t craft weapons for a league of Assassin’s. Plenty of their games have historical figures, acting like this is the first one to take liberties is silly.
but there should maybe be a disclaimer that Yasuke’s real role in history is not truly known, but they chose the most fun version of events, even if it’s likely untrue.
As they have done with many events and figures in past games. Someone has already taken the time to break this down in great detail. The TL;DR is they never had historical accuracy like you seem to think, ever.
Look, I’m not really that invested in this, and yeah, the disclaimer idea was dumb. I just love Assassin’s Creed for many reasons, one of which is its historical accuracy. Sure, it’s no replacement for a real history lesson, but every game has been one of the most accurate portrayals of its respective slice of history in pop culture.
It’s about expectations. There are obvious embellishments in each game - Da Vinci’s inventions, the cyclops & minotaur, Norse gods, etc., and those are fine because they’re obvious fantasy in otherwise-mundane worlds. The only reason people care about the whole Yasuke thing (or the only reason they should care) is because his story is not obvious fantasy; those not versed in Japanese history would assume his story in the game to be mostly true to historical records, because it’s all mundane.
I get that you like it for historical accuracy but I’m just saying it wasn’t there. The link I gave shows how it never was. It never was accurate man. AC Shadows is just more if the same, not some departure from it.
Yasuke isn’t special. They’ve done this with tons of people, they did it with Cleopatra for instance. They did it with lots of real people, just look at that link that breaks it down.
