Until now this would have been a stupid question - this is my home. But we’re in a strange timeline. My background is I was born in the UK, met first husband, married, got green card, that went tits up, divorced, met husband 2, found forever love, married, naturalized in 2021. Have my passport and everything.
It’s my dad’s birthday, and he lives in the UK. I want to go back and celebrate, but I’m nervous about reentry into the US. I naturalized during the Biden presidency, and I am a Democrat, I feel nervous that I have a target on my back. I have a home and pets here. Am I ridiculous for worrying or should I be cautious about leaving right now?
Consult the chart
Add queer to the list and also if you’re not a Nazi…
Add “liberal” or even “critical of the president” to that.
The fascist prez: FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
What he actually means:
FREEDOM TO KILL PEOPLE I DON’T LIKE!
You do realise they’ve also been disappearing white people, right?
Don’t risk it. Also, try to make some contingency plans in the event they do kick you out.
Tbh I’m born and raised here, and a straight white cisgender male, and I’m laying groundwork to quickly emigrate as a contingency plan.
Edit: apparently they’re now trying to figure out how to “de-naturalize” naturalized citizens, so that’s fun.
The post was a person with a work visa not a citizen. This is not to say that the US is the safest place to be. My US citizen cousin very recently came to live in the US and they were born and living in a different country for most of their life and they haven’t had any hiccups.
I would probably not come in during Trump’s rule when there are other countries but you do you.
The administration is currently figuring out how to “deport” natural-born citizens to an El Salvadoran Supermax prison that’s notorious for having horrendous conditions. All bets are off, regardless of citizenship. But it’s PARTICULARLY risky if you check any of the following boxes while also not being a natural-born citizen:
- not white
- not male
- not cisgender
- not straight
- not evangelical Christian
- not racist
- not a vocal supporter of the regime
There are real and concrete reasons that so many countries have started issuing travel warnings for the US to their own citizens in the last few months.
An actual risk assessment would look at % not single incidents
We’re turning into trump supporters with our vilification and exaggeration of real life
You’re ignoring the fact that these “single incidents” are essentially the administration testing what they can get away with. And there’s a lot more than just this one, if you bother to look.
…no, I’m not. They’re very serious, and should be taken as such. But that doesn’t make them an accurate risk assessment in it of an individual incident, you need to look at numbers, for a real risk assessment
And it wouldn’t tell a citizen they are at the same risk as someone on a work visa.
Why would you want to come back? Place is a 2nd world shit hole.
As a citizen you should be safe. Are you white? That makes it a little safer. Probably wouldn’t hurt if you’re attractive and female…
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fuck I hate this timeline
I wanna be mad at these comments but they’re so true. I’m white and female, so maybe I’ll be fine. But it’s so fucking sad that this is the case. I’m not just worried for me, but for all the people who made this place home. A lot of minorities in that group.
pretty risky as even white canadians are detained.
That Canadian actress was white and attractive. The German held for several days without sleep was also white and attractive (also a man in a relationship with a man, but I don’t know how likely it is that CBP could have known that).
It’s probably protective, but it’s not sufficient
You are now an American citizen, so you should have the rights the rest of us have. You should be fine. They haven’t gotten around to threatening to denaturalize people yet. When they do, they will concentrate first on people from countries they don’t like, that used old policies they have since rescinded. And they will have to use more due process than they are using on these non-citizens.
The one thing I would be cautious of, though, is the state of your cell phone. They are very thin-skinned when it comes to criticism lately, and may decide to look through your phone’s social media to decide if you are insufficiently loyal. They have broad powers to do that when you re-enter the country. As a US citizen they cannot deny you entry, but they can still make your life difficult on entry. And this group doesn’t exactly pay attention to laws, do they?
At minimum, you might want to shut down your cell phone before getting off the plane. Explain it by saying it is a long flight, and you wanted to save your battery for arrival. If they confiscate a phone and try to dump all its data, they are more limited if the phone has just rebooted. They would basically need the PIN to do anything. If you want to go further, you can also log out of all of your social media accounts and remove their apps before the flight, so they even if they force you to divulge the PIN they won’t find your social media history.
That may all be too paranoid, but we live in stupid times.
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Why would you come back?
I think it really depends on how white you are. I’m 192cm tall, born in California, white as fuck with blue eyes, so I think that I’m pretty safe. However, I’ve cautioned my sister who was born on Java that she really has to take precautions. She’s lived here and been naturalized since she was 1 years old, but even so, she’s got brown skin, so she’s a target for this RACIST AS FUCK government.
Oh don’t worry. They’ll come for you soon.
They’ve already gotten away with kicking people out to a south american torture prison.
And they are actively and openly working on how to strip citizenship from people, so they can disappear anyone to the south american torture prison.
So you are not safe. You just have lots of brown and hispanic people infront of you to take the initial bullets.
Which is why we all need to be stopping this shit now, because we all know how the poem ends.
Hey I don’t disagree with your points but just wanted to mention that El Salvador is in North America (in a sub-region known as Central America)
edit: unless there are additional South American facilities they’ve been building that I’m unaware of
No, I just brain farted and said south instead of central.
Proper call out. Gonna leave my post unedited, so your callout remains relevant.
They’re arresting white people too.
But less often.
That’s a valid point.
I have a close friend who was born in Venzuela, and became a citizen in January. She feels much safer now, and thinks she’s in the clear. I’m still worried about her, but i don’t want to scare her with my own anxiety.
These MAGA Nazis want to get rid of Birthright Citizenship, which every nation in the world recognizes. If they won’t even respect that, they aren’t going to respect anything else - including Green Cards or Naturalization.
Bottom line - if you were born in another country, you are an enemy, and they want you out.
which every nation in the world recognizes
Well, this is flat out not true at all 😅
There are ~30-35 that recognize some degree of birthright citizenship under certain circumstances (for example, having a parent that has citizenship), but few countries have unconditional birthright citizenship, particularly outside of the Americas.
Ok, maybe not all, but the countries we tend to equate ourselves with recognize it.
How many countries isn’t the point, anyway. It’s in the Constitution, in any case.
Also depends how much presence you have on social media, and how public you are avout your political opinions there.
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They’ll merrily send you to El Salvador for looking at someone funny, though. Some disgraced sheriff didn’t like a gay makeup artist and claimed he was a Venezuelan gang member. He was picked up and has disappeared in the system in El Salvador somewhere.
Welcome back to the Stasi.
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That depends what colour your skin is or if you wear any non christian headgear, symbols, etc.
It honestly seems very unpredictable. Anecdotally the worst behaviour seems to have been at the most republican states but not exclusively.
For example the Australian who had a work visa and lived in the US for years flew in to Texas where it was arbitrarily nullified. There are plenty of stories of people crossing southern and northern borders and being detained by ICE. Thats included British, German, Australian and French cirizens that ive seen in the UK press coverage anyway.
As a US citizen you shouldnt have an issue but I’d probably travel through a major hub like JFK in New York to be safer. I wouldn’t re-enter through Republican states like Florida, Texas, nor probably Washington DCs airports. Obviously travel on your US passport.
You should he OK as a US citizen but it does look like there is a breakdown in the rule of law in the US. People imagine that means riots and the police not able to keep control, but in this case its the government and government agencies doing whatever they want and the legal system unable to stop them.
I’m a UK citizen and am not intending to travel to the US - I often cone for a major conference but having seen what happened to the French scientist who had his phone searched and then was denied entry for criticising Trump I won’t be risking it. I’m sure a lot of other UK and Europeans feel the same way.
Sadly the only 100% safe option for you is to not leave the country. Its madness as youre a US citizen but at this point things are still going through the courts and its not clear where this will stop.
The scary thing is we have no clue. But they do seem to be racist in their targeting, so if you look white, I’d imagine you’d have a much lower risk.
You’re not ridiculous for worrying, but I think you’ll be okay. Since we’ve got a bigot running the show, it’ll help even more if you’re white (I hate saying that, but that’s the situation).
The future is another thing to consider. I assume that the situation for immigrants will only get worse, and turn into a complete shitshow when Mango Mussolini goes for his third term. This might be the least precarious time to leave the U.S. for several years. Make your trip count.
At the moment they’re only going after overt political dissidents and brown immigrants. As long as you haven’t penned an oped criticizing Trump you should be fine. Though, I would advise buying a burner phone for the trip. Set up a new account and put a bunch of games on it so it doesn’t look suspicious.
only going after overt political dissidents and brown immigrants
They seem to have detained some white tourists lately as well.
