Waaaaaaaaay too expensive, but I’d love it if big eink displays became a thing, even with shit refresh rates, mostly because I want some for displaying Home Assistant dashboards.
I bought a trmnl and it’s pricey but works pretty good. I’ve mostly been using a few out-of-the-box plugins for it.
There is a selfhosted/offline version of the server you can run for it, so it can be ‘offline’ in theory. I keep meaning to mess with it more but haven’t put the time aside.
Or to hang on a home server rack displaying dashboards.
Feel like we’ve been waiting a long time for it :(
There’s this range of Philips signage displays in up to 32" (~$1800 USD): https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/philips-tableaux
They even run Android, so should be able to install the Home Assistant app natively. Being intended as a signage solution, there’s also PoE (although it is 45W 802.3bt class5), and even room for four 18650 batteries.
Notably though, they use the newer E-Ink “Spectra” (16 bit, 65,536 colour) panel which offers its full 2560x1600 resolution in both greyscale and colour, not the “Kaleido” one (12 bit, 4096 colour) of this Boox monitor that only has half of its 3200x1800 resolution in colour (Boox recommend using 1400x1050).
I don’t know which of the two panels offers better refresh rates, however.
If I could get a laptop with a screen like this, I could finally sit outside in a park and code like nature intended.
Also a lap desk. And a coffee thermos. And headphones. Second screen.
God, I’m too spoiled for nature, ain’t IThis device runs android, but it’s pretty close https://shop.boox.com/products/tabxc
I’d totally buy this if I had fuck you money.
That… would actually be pretty dope
I’m thinking at those prices this is probably intended for corporations that absolutely need a readable display in bright sunlight areas but don’t really care about refresh rate or color depth.
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I did see something a few months ago about a company making large color e-Ink displays for applications like that and outdoor advertising at bus stops and the like
I can see how this would be very attractive to a writer.
Not necessarily just corporations, but certainly text-based workflows. I can see this being great if your day job is writing code, working on spreadsheets, editing documents, etc. In those use cases, framerate hardly matters. Would be great for reducing eye strain.
How many seconds per frame does it get?
Not sure yet, we’re still waiting for the first frame to finish.
If the answer matters then your use case isn’t this monitor’s use case. If you spend all day in Excel, or an IDE, something like that, then it could be awesome for eye strain reduction.
Whoosh
Not whoosh, my comment makes sense even if you get the inverted unit joke. So uh, uno reverse card whoosh?
I’ve never had eye strain from a CRT or LCD.
Isn’t eye strain mostly due to distance?
I’m no optometrist, but I would love to hear the opinion of one.
I checked and while it seems to certainly have an influence, it doesn’t seem to be the main thing making a difference.
I think it says 23Hz or something
Enough to run doom
It can display Oblivion Remastered at it’s native framerate though.
Wow, relive the early days of really fucking terrible LCD displays for just under $2000.
What a time to be alive…
Why, for the love of all the gods, do people keep saying and writing “LCD display”.
Tell me what the “D” in “LCD” means!
What does the “D” mean, hmmm!?
The same as the M in ATM machine and N in PIN number, V in HIV virus and C in UPC code!
Oh, the dreaded RAS syndrome!.I’m off to read some DC comics.
I will be reporting this to the American Association Against Acronym Abuse!
I’ll remember that the next time I enter my PIN number at an ATM machine.
You really need to learn about RAS syndrome.
Ok, so what’s up with that LC display.
This kind of redundancy creates semantic resilience, thats why we take the type name out of acronyms.
Instead, when designing acronyms leave the type name out of it.
Diode?
Display
it means peDantic
For a work machine with a lot of text and little graphics, this is great. Less eye strain for long periods.
In theory yes. But after seeing a review yesterday I am fully disappointed. Even text looks like shit on this monitor.
I’m really keen on one of these displays eventually, as I can set aside the issues with refresh rate and colour accuracy, but the price needs to drop way down. It needs to be competitive with regular LCD monitors.
I look at terminals all day for work, this would make it so much more comfortable.
Might not need anything except economies of scale. But getting that is the problem.
Tablet sized eink displays found a niche that couldn’t quite be displaced by smartphones and regular tablets. That let them have a market for getting costs down.
There would need to be a similarly wide use case to get the price down on larger eink displays.
economies of scale
And competition. AFAIK, E Ink Corporation holds all the patents (there’s 47 pages of them), so they can ask for as much as they want for the tech.
I think the use case would be for laptops, for people who want to comfortably use their laptops outside or just want their laptop screens to be easier on the eyes. Only slightly different to a tablet insofar as it has a physical keyboard, so i imagine the tablets could be adapted.
There are some annoying usability limitations still, but it has progressed far since early ebook readers, so I’m hopeful.
If you’re coding with them you can already try small ones, unless you need bigger than A4 size for each it isn’t insanely expensive.
I’m good.
Maybe it’d be useful as a low powered interactive kiosk display? Price needs to come down tremendously before this thing becomes competitive.
I remember when OLED was that extensive…
I remember a 42" plasma TV that cost $12,000 at Best Buy.
Plus $1000 a year electric bill
Yeah those early ones - and the one I’m thinking of was like the first big-screen flatpanel they sold, sometime in the late 90s - were extra extra bad about power.
Obligatory Linus video for a similar, but not identical, monitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUxxn53mBE
This Dasung model is mentioned at the bottom of the article. TL;DW: These things have the exact list of drawbacks you think they do including miserable contrast, color accuracy so bad it’s fallen off the bottom of the chart, a low refresh rate, and quite a bit of ghosting. So it’s awful, but surprisingly not as awful as you’d think if your primary experience is an e-reader form the first couple of generations. Linus being Linus he does attempt to game on it and gets… a result… but this is a display technology with niche applications and still best suited to displaying mostly static content.
Thanks, that was actually a pretty good look at them.
I do think that they did raise one point that I wouldn’t have thought of. The color eInk doesn’t have great resolution, but they were viewing old comics printed using halftoning (what the guy in the video was calling “cheap dot patterns”). Comics at the time were, had to be, designed to deal with being printed that way, and that results in images that could deal with really low color resolution. So specifically for viewing them, the color eInk display was a pretty good match for the content.
Problem is, I just can’t see how many people would buy a monitor just to view old-style comics.
I think that eInk is a good match for a portable e-reader that you potentially take outside, where it’s already available in the role. Outside of that…
I own this. It is horrible. If the specs were real it would be great, but the specs are not real. It is a 3k black and white monitor with a fixed color filter over it. That means you need 3x3 pixels to resemble a color.
I consider it a scam from Dasung.
Boox on the other hand made a sane black and white display. Much better. I own a Max 2 Pro. Sadly they fail to understand that when you report a display as 20px smaller than it really is over an HDMI port and then rescale the image of the computer display on that, that it becomes really uncrisp. Their suggestion is to use the display with 200% scaling (so you don’t notice as much I suppose).
Epaper is really promising and nice. However both of these companies should either get some real competition or lawsuits.
Aw yeah! I imagine it’s like 2 fps. Great for gaming.
Its not meant for gaming. People who display a lot of text (eg. coders) could use less strain in their eyes if they’re doing it for a long time. Definitely not at that price though
Pretty sure it’s good for anything that requires text. I’ve already seen several people talk about it’s use in coding, which makes sense since staring at a conventional LCD for hours on end can be a real eyestrain sometimes.
What’s the refresh rate and can I play Hunt showdown on it? They say a similar model has a 33hz refresh rate but don’t mention this model
I don’t know if you can play games on this, but I know you definitely won’t want to.
Choice of Games makes games that are unchanging text. You could probably do okay with that.
Actually…come to think of it, they should figure out some way to hook up with an e-reader manufacturer, sell their games in those stores. Like, those games also have basically zilch by way of memory or computational requirements, and I bet that the same kind of person who’d buy a dedicated e-reader to read books would probably be more-interested in a text-heavy game.
they should figure out some way to hook up with an e-reader manufacturer, sell their games in those stores
just sell it as an ebook, with choices being tappable links to specific pages. brand agnostic, and distributable over the countless ebook stores that already exist. I’d be surprised if there weren’t any CYOA books modernised that way already.
Yeah, that’s a thought, but those games have some additional QoL logic to them, like automated stats keeping and checking and stuff. Nice to just have the computer handle it.
Please note that even at 30hz eink displays still have hundreds of milliseconds of latency
The US takes tariffs on the good stuff? Looks like there will be more stuff for us in the future.
Ah yes just in time for the trade war! Better get yours now
