Ceasefire status is unclear after Israel reports continued missiles from Iran
apnews.com
U.S. President Donald Trump said on social media Monday that Israel and Iran have agreed to a “complete and total ceasefire” to be phased in over 24 hours.
  • Basic Glitch@lemm.eeOPEnglish
    29·
    6 个月前

    Pissing contest or most careless game of chicken ever? Both?

    Idiocracy prepared me for this to happen, but it also failed me because it made me believe that it would be a lot less serious/more funny than it is.

    • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
      231·
      6 个月前

      I wouldn’t consider it a pissing match. Iran suffered an unprovoked attack on their energy infrastructure, that scenario would call for retaliation from any nation. They appear to be walking a fine line of inflicting damages while attempting to avoid escalation to full conflict. Call it a measured response, I guess.

      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
        7·
        6 个月前

        This isn’t a measured response. They notified Qatar and the US of the attacks in advance, they only fired 14 missiles, and 13 of them were knocked down. Also these missles didn’t carry any notable payloads. Iran did this before when Israel killed Haniyeh in Tehran and Trump killed Soleimani. This is Iran go to way of singling that they want to concede retaliation by intentionally putting out a weak response. They want to deescalate in a way where they can save face.

      • Bosht@lemmy.worldEnglish
        7·
        6 个月前

        That and the fact their initial response was ‘okay I’ll block your oil exports then’. Probably bigger hit than any missile strike could do.

      • fullsquare
        4·
        6 个月前

        ah yes, the completely civilian nuclear program that for last month+ was busy using up 5% enriched uranium (on upper range of enrichment in normal reactors) and 20% (usual in research reactors) to get 60% enriched uranium (no civilian applications)

        • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
          151·
          6 个月前

          Iran was attacked here. No amount of “what about the WMD’s” makes the attacks on them by the US and Israel legal under international law.

          Iran had a deal that allowed other countries to control their nuclear sector. The US left that deal. Iran was taking part in negotiations about a new deal. The US bombed them. What has been done to Iran here is a terrible violation of international law, and a terrible violation of their sovereignty.

          • fullsquare
            4·
            6 个月前

            they were still a party to NPT the entire time, and they didn’t meet obligations of that treaty for over 20 years. NPT also includes inspections by IAEA

            say what you want, they can’t unbomb Fordow so any discussions about future iranian nuclear program are pointless

              • Opinionhaver@feddit.ukEnglish
                1·
                6 个月前

                Many. Yet they’re still justified in striking a nuclear bomb-making facility in a nation that has more or less said it plans to use it.

                • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  6 个月前

                  This is where you’re dead wrong. A country amassing weapons is not a justification for preemptively attacking them. Much less so when there’s not even consensus that they’re amassing the weapons you say they are.

                  This is just absurd to claim. It’s like saying russia was justified in attacking Ukraine because Ukraine wanted to join NATO. It’s like saying that you’re justified in shooting someone because you think they are going to buy a gun. Just ask yourself: When was the last time Iran launched “preemptive” strikes on Israel, or conducted “preemptive” assassinations on Israeli soil?

                  If anything, these strikes prove to Iran that unless they acquire nuclear weapons, they will never be able to deter Israel and the US from conducting “preemptive” strikes and assassinations on their soil. I can completely understand the Iranian regime for reasoning that “Whelp, we had a deal, and the US withdrew from it. Then we were actively holding negotiations and they bombed us. It looks like the only way we can ensure they leave us alone is acquiring MAD capabilities.”

    • fullsquare
      2·
      6 个月前

      neither. the same kind of propaganda activity targeted at iranian internal audience like after assassination of qasem soleimani. like in 2020, it’s pretty obvious that trump takes this offramp

      but also, this time international response is wildly different

      in 2020: UK and Qatar called for deescalation, Saudis said they stand with Iraq, Turkey offered diplomatic support for deescalation

      today, Saudis, UAE, Qatar (obviously), Bahrain, Kuwait, (countries directly impacted) but also Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Turkey, Yemen (Aden) and Palestinian Authority all condemned Iranian strikes

      today also iranian proxies are much weaker, and we already know how incompetent their air defences were

  • ReanuKeeves@lemm.eeEnglish
    9·
    6 个月前

    I’ve played fallout 3, new vegas, and 4 so I’m ready for what’s to come