Tldr lower. So there’s (yet again) another flurry of communities that are all crossposting each other’s content with this hentai stuff.
Aside from a lot of this being made with AI, it is in essence soft porn and I don’t want it in /all.
I usually write a comment under such posts saying
Set your comm to NSFW pls
Rarely the mod write “Done” and that’s it. Often it is downvoted, and now it’s also just removed by mod for (I wouldn’t know the reason as it’s on a different instance to mine)
https://lemmy.world/post/33972247
TLDR; I don’t want my all feed to be a soft porn feed, is there anyway of not having these hentai soft porn communities in all, apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
“All” means all. I suggest not using “all” but subscribing to things you actually want to see.
"All means all.
Not always. For instance if you have NSFW filtered, in which case “all” means “most”.
All is still all, but you curated it to your liking (like OP should do)
This is a recurring response, so forgive me for hijacking your comment to write this again.
/all is where we make our first impression to the world. For a lot of people /all is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
Go to your Settings, uncheck the “Show NSFW content” box, click Save.
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How does this… Did you…
i don’t see nsfw in /all cause you can just turn off NSFW content in settings, dude.
easy as pie. your “soft NSFW” filter is baked in.
Thanks for duding me
You have not read or don’t understand the OP. This is about communities like my example in the OP, which many would not consider NSFW, but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people. The communities don’t want the NSFW tag, but the users who want the ability to filter out the soft NSFW stuff.
There is a soft tag built into the post itself: the title. It says “Ikkitousen.” If you know what Ikkitousen is, you know it’s an ecchi anime. If you don’t know what Ikkitousen is, you have to decide for yourself if the post is worth opening blind. On an anime community it should come as no surprise that people would post characters from ecchi (and not necessarily hard-defined NSFW) shows.
Though I don’t disagree with your suggestion for having more user control, the root of this is entirely a personal problem that others shouldn’t be expected to accommodate for you. Go into your display settings and turn off thumbnails and be self-policing in what links you click on.
“but is on the touchy side of a bunch of other people.”
i get that you’re trying to make a point about what content should or shouldn’t be tagged as nsfw, but at some point you have to accept that this is the internet.
no place is ever going to cater to anyone’s exact standards of what is and isn’t “appropriate”. and while there are communities that don’t want to conform to using nsfw tags, I have an “/all” that is completely devoid of any nsfw content. which is what you have specifically mentioned in your other comments in this thread.
the responsibility is on you to curate your own feed to your own specifications. and its not even a difficult process. it just takes a bit of time.
The subscription tab exists for this very reason. Stop being a selfish prick and trying to curate /ALL
No! Those who posts unmarked NSFW are the ones that should stop being a selfish prick and mark it as NSFW
The example OP has giving isn’t even NSFW though, so no tag is warranted.
If you really wouldn’t want a coworker seeing it, it’s NSFW I would say. Personally I think someone even seeing a forum that looks like Reddit open on your work computer is a bit NSFW, but that’s what the tag is for.
That image is 100% NSFW
You’re somewhat correct of course but the NSFW tag exists for a reason. If there is one entire category of /all you can just filter out due to lack of interest, it should be stuff like that. Maybe at some point we’ll also get an ‘AI’ tag.
The pro of being able to ‘safely’, for lack of a better term, browse /all is being able to discover stuff that you are not subscribed to, stuff you might not find otherwise.
And I think everyone here can agree that any of these subs that are focused on explicit material should absolutely be pressured into setting the sub NSFW.
The part that has people against the OP is that he’s claiming a girl in a relatively modest bikini should be flagged NSFW, and that a sub for non-explicit anime pics should have to adopt the NSFW label, which seems excessive to me.
I’m on an instance that blocks nsfw instances. Because I don’t want porn in my feed.
I DO want the anime girls though.
Are you suggesting I should deal with a feed full porn in order to get that?
So you’re good with everything except the nipple? I mean, I’m not even particularly hardline about this topic, that just seems like a really really niche use case that you want catered to
I’m good with nipples. And porn for that matter. I just don’t want it in my feed.
I have nipples in my phone wallpaper rotation. Female ones. But the relevant pieces fall into the artistic rather than pornographic category.
NSFW is a insanely fuzzy concept that allows you to draw the line essentially anywhere. It’s why I’m on an instance that blocks porn, rather than just using an account with nsfw tagged content disabled. Because that way I can keep nsfw enabled, and not miss stuff I want to see, because some people will mark stuff I would never in my wildest dreams think is nsfw.
Or they just use it to mark spoilered content, nevermind that people with nsfw disabled wont then see the post at all.
My instance manually blocks instances and communities that are pornographic. Because that’s literally the only way this can work.
There will always be someone who thinks any given piece of content should/shouldn’t be considered nsfw.
It’s a gradient that allows you to slightly lean in onen direction or the other, so stop acting like it should “at least” do anything. It does not draw a clear line, and there is no way to shift online culture so that it could.
So… nothing being presented here would affect you at all, then? If you don’t have NSFW content blocked, and your instance manually reviews blocked instances, marking softcore stuff as NSFW wouldn’t change how you interact with that content (unless your instance is overly zealous in blocking). So what’s the problem here?
I run a ton of these communities.
And I care about the fediverse as a whole.
Marking an entire category of content as nsfw because a tiny minority can’t be bothered to block it themselves, without good reason, will immediately kneecap community and content discovery.
I saw this in the numbers immediately.
I do still use the feature. And I calibrate the line of what is and what is not, based on votes, comments and reports.
One, single, upset person, is not reason enough cut off dozens or hundreds of people from encountering content they might like.
Okay sure, but why are we considering the people who don’t want to see that content as worth less than the people who do? For that matter, why is engagement more important to you than curating an appreciative audience? People are railing against people that downvote in /all as well, but what’s the alternative to express that they don’t want to see that content - blocking entire instances is an overly broad approach except in some specific cases (lemmy.nsfw for example) and blocking community by community is exhausting, given how many new highly specific “anime moe tiddy thigh-gap colored hair” communities crop up daily. Downvoting expresses disinterest, and it’s apparently common enough to see things you’re not interested in that “not downvoting in /all” is being pushed as basic courtesy. Asking them to tag things NSFW, or even just bringing out a different tag that isn’t blocked by default (which god, we really need even if just for spoilers) is a perfectly valid request that at the very least solves the downvoting problem, among others (it’s hard to bring on new users when a site gets a reputation for being overrun with anime fanservice communities, for example)
Stop browsing by /all. The firehose will always have content that is of dubious categorization. Instead of trying to change the whole world to conform to your tastes, curate your communities and leave others be.
I don’t disagree, and it’d be really nice if people were better about tagging things like scantily clad yuri as NSFW. Even if there’s no naughty bits, I’d just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails. I don’t want it gone, I just want tagging guidelines to be followed.
I’d just really appreciate being able to browse for new linux communities in public while having questionable stuff come up as blurred thumbnails
Sorry, I understand that it would be nice if others did the right thing all the time, but we can not reasonably expect this to work at any larger scale.
Besides, how many new linux communities are popping up every day that it makes more important for you to be browsing by /all? It seems like a bad workflow and really poor ergonomics to rely on /all for content discovery when you know what type of groups you can search for.
Why can’t we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven. That’s kinda how all of human society is able to function.
I don’t really know what you’re trying to say about linux communities or my workflow - that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of. Not all communities follow strict naming guidelines, let alone tagging guidelines, and it’s actually a real problem onboarding new users to the fediverse (mastadon’s “where is the content” meme, for example)
Why can’t we expect that, though? True bad actors are surprisingly rare, and minor fauxpas forgiven.
Because the larger the number of people in the group, the more disagreement there will be about defines “bad actors” and “minor fauxpas”. Right now in this thread people are arguing over whether or not these should be classified as NSFW, for instance.
that was being used an arbitrary example, and the actual goal with browsing /all is to find content you are interested in but previously unaware of
I know you meant meant linux just as an example, but what I am trying to understand is how much of an habit is it for you to get into content discovery mode that you worry about “doing it in public”?
I’m not really up for a discussion on the foundational concept of ethos since it’s like 5am here, but conversations like this thread are pretty fundamental to how every human endeavor functions (hence why they’re broadly called ‘forums’). I don’t expect everyone to always do the “right thing” (nor do I want to litigate the minutiae of what “right thing” could mean in this context), but giving up on the entire idea of having a guideline to follow just because some people won’t seems a little defeatist.
Lemmy is still extremely new, and finding new communities to help grow (or even just finding new sources of content to consume, which is similarly valid) is fairly difficult without resorting to the one tool we have to help discover them. I’d wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly. At least, that’s what I do, and I’m really very confident in my not-even-being-slightly-not-basic.
I’d wager, without having access to the backend, that right now the majority of users browse by /all since most niche communities only have at best a handful of new posts a week, and that content is exhausted quickly.
Yeah, I could bet that is the case as well. But while I understand the justification for this behavior, I don’t think that it makes for a healthy one. Browsing by /all because the content of my curated feed is stale seems like driving to a McDonalds after finishing a healthy dinner and I’m not feeling completely full.
To torture a metaphor, right now it’s more like driving to McDonald’s after having a pretty basic meal two days earlier. I agree that ultimately you’re right, but given just how small most developing communities are, it’s pretty reasonable to look around to find new things to engage with. If nobody did that I think lemmy might just fizzle out as a network, it’s just too small to really support the kind of curated feed we’re used to with larger sites like reddit/twitter/insta. The addictive nature of those sites is a good debate for a separate time, but in this case even getting to the level of “please enjoy responsibly” requires quite a bit of searching around.
I’m not trying to conform the world to my taste. Porn like stuff makes the platform less appealing in general.
All is where we make our first impression to the world. All is where (on a still growing platform) people go to discover. I don’t think having an additional “soft NSFW” filter would be a bad thing.
There’s a reason most clients have an NSFW filter in their settings.
Porn like stuff makes the platform less appealing in general
That’s literally your taste in content. I’m sure there’s plenty of people who find porn like stuff more appealing.
Also, All isn’t the first impression, it’s almost always your instance feed that is the default.
OP is on lemmy.world, and default feed is All (sorted by Active) there
No that’s not my taste in content. That’s me trying to get this reddit alternative to gain traction. And it’s not going to do that by being an echo chamber. If you have kids, you want parental controls so they don’t have to see certain content. If you’re at work, you want be able to prevent suggestive drawings to hit your screen, or on public transport.
Your response act as if I’m asking for a ban. I’m asking for an ability for the user to control it. Leave it off by default for all I care (which is what the current NSFW setting does).
/all may not be the first impressing, but it is where the majority of new user will go due to their instance not necessarily having that much content.
Porn like stuff
Which one, exactly? A woman showing a nipple? Artistic renditions of men in classic statues? A furry? A LGBTQ person existing?
That’s how it begins. We’ve already seen how it ends.
I mean…that doesn’t really seem that bad? Also, asking for the whole community to be nsfw is a wild overreaction looking at the other pictures in the community.
If you browse the all feed, expect to see some things you don’t like/enjoy. It’s a fire hose of content by design. Learn to curate your subscribed feed and stick to it. Frankly, lemmy doesn’t have great filters/blocks to do what you want, and expecting the whole rest of the internet to abide by such strict standards of nsfw isn’t going to happen.
PieFed has a “Hide posts in communities with these words in their name” filter for exactly this scenario.
That function doesn’t seem to function properly btw. I have tried with “meme” and “politics” and communities with those words in them still keep popping into my feed on PieFed.
Fixed now!
Go to https://piefed.social/user/settings/filters and save the form to flush a cache and then the fix will kick in.
Impressive
weeell, maybe more impressive if I’d tested it better weeks ago, but I’ll take the W
😄
Amazing! I did not expect that outcome from my comment
I can’t believe y’all 🤣
This is clearly a mostly non offensive example.
Would you like me to head into my feed and find some furry porn not marked nsfw? Just send me your work address. 🙄
That’s your example of softcore porn? There’s much racier content on magazine covers in the grocery checkout line. Stop trying to impose your puritanical aesthetic on the rest of the world. It’s called /all for a reason. What’s wrong with you?!
I feel like you’ve missed the point entirely.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
apart from individually blocking them (which doesn’t really work, as they keep making more communities).
It’s very much manageable. You could also try blocking certain instances or users.
Other than that, though titties.
I’ll block them individually, but I would love for there to be a tagging or classification system. Perhaps even a ‘Snowflake NSFW’ setting that allows people to filter out anything suggestive. I understand those hentai communities don’t want to be penalised by having an outRight NSFW tag on them either.
Have you considered using a client with word filtering?
What are these new communities btw?
I maintain the list available here, and I’ve only needed to add half a dozen new communities in the last year.
You’re welcome to use it for blocking.
I will not be marking any of my communities nsfw, only content within them which warrants it.
Thanks that’s awesome.
Yeah. I blocked main porn instances and then other communities as and when they showed up on the feed.
I blocked ani.social just because so much anime and im not into that
I personally don’t consider this NSFW.
It’s clearly a less racey example. Multiple people hung up on this 🤦♂️.
Would you like a real example? Brave enough to give me your work email? I promise to send you nothing but untagged Lemmy content.
How is it ‘clearly’ anything? It’s the only example OP provided, what else are we supposed to judge his claims by?
I’ve been working remote ever since COVID. Also, if we’re going this far, I think this whole culture of absent personal space at work isn’t something to defend. If anything, it’s kind of nice to punish this system by having something shocking or insulting on your screen. But we all need money and people don’t want to get fired so I can understand that. We’re all going to get fired and replaced by AI anyway though.
[…] and I don’t want it in /all.
Skill issue. That’s literally what /all is for.
Block what you don’t want, or set your starting page to subscribed and curate from there. That’s half the point of this entire place.
The other half you already did the work: notified the comms they have to set to NFW, etc.
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I am amazed at how helpless some people…
It’s what TikTok did to a generation. It’s incredible.
Back in my day, I could even program the time on the VCR!
Ah, but could you programme the timer to record while you were out?!
I mean I could, but I ran out of tapes to keep recording stuff in.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
The only way All works is by either manually blocking individual communities or manually blocking certain instances.
Once you’re done, it’s mostly fine, but like you say, new ones do pop up.
There’s ONE GUY who runs like 20 different AI porn communities and keeps creating more.
Exactly what I’ve done. Set my settings to hide NSFW, blocked most of the “soft” communities like hot girls and moe anime girls and whatever else (blocking the lemmynsfw.com instance is a great place to start), and I use All frequently. That’s how I’ve found all the communities I’ve subscribed to, but frankly, my /all feed is small enough that I usually see all my subscribed communities anyway.
Why am I not surprised that the most sensible response comes from one of the more awesome mods on this platform
o7 sir, thanks for acknowledging my point and chiming in.
Hey, I was in your boat when I started on Lemmy 2 years ago.
“Wow, that’s a lot of furry porn. And gay porn. And gay, furry porn.”
Not gonna judge, if that’s your thing, it’s your thing, it’s just not MY thing…
Plenty of other people have said it, and I’ll repeat it: Stop browsing by /all. Find a handful of communities you want to subscribe to, and stick with those.
I’ve responded to the top comment to address the flaws in that argument.
There is a fair point to make that it’s instances that should default to /local instead of /all - at least for uncredentialed guests. Since if you want to see more, you can just get to the next instance, and the next, and the next…, and that way we avoid reloading basically the same content and stuff on every instance you visit.
And it helps instances better moderate how they present themselves to potential sign-ups.
That is indeed a fair talking point, which of course has its own risk of a new user not know there’s more to the fediverse (or not knowing what the fediverse is) than only what a local instance shows.
A new user will know because they sign in and they get access to more features of the instance, such as ability to follow, star, block, etc.
A mere visitor, can simply be pointed to the /all button. It just does not need to be the default.
Often it is downvoted
Also, can we please agree that is really poor netiquette to downvote posts in communities you are not subscribing to? If you are not subscribed to a community, you should have no saying whether the content is relevant to the community or not.
Instead of downvoting, hide posts you don’t want the content on your feed or report it if is actually improper content. Downvoting things just because you saw it on /all is counter-productive and hostile af.
No. Some communities I don’t want to see regularly, but I know how the community works.
Some communities I don’t want to see regularly
And your solution to that is browsing by /all?
I think it’s a habit carried over from reddit’s algo, which would rank communities you downvote as less likely to be shown to you. People don’t really understand how the /all algo works on lemmy (which as I understand it is just the most recently interacted things on the network, blatted out of a hose?)
It is 100% a bad habit inherited from Reddit, and this is one of the many reasons that I wish Fediverse developers stopped trying to emulate the closed platforms and started using ActivityPub as a powerful social graph to be shared by a single client.
I think it might be too early in the life of the fediverse to completely dispense with the underlaying concept - we’ve only barely gotten enough users to have unique-to-lemmy content - but it’s an interesting article & a similarly interesting take. Certainly something should be done to increase new communities ‘discoverability’ to the broad userbase. The current
/allalgo is already a huge improvement over the very early days, so there’s probably value in developing the idea further (including potentially adopting that social graph idea, though implementation would be… difficult, while maintaining the decentralized control the fediverse was explicitly designed to have)Phanpy (a client for Mastodon) is showing that we can have the customization and discoverability happening in-device. Decentralization would improve if we stop relying on this platform-centric approach and started building on generic ActivityPub servers.
Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I feel like that this generation of developers just keep making the mistakes from the past when they could instead learn from the elders.
Nah it’s a genuinely interesting tangent, and I do agree that there’s a great deal still to be done to really get the most out of AP as a protocol. I worry that adoption for non-platformed methods of interaction would be extremely low, just because of the increased barrier to entry. Part of the reason I’m on Lemmy instead of finishing my own AP browsing application is just the time investment that I’m unwilling to put in, and as customization goes up the time cost of configuring your setup similarly increases. But I do agree that there’s a better solution than what we have now.
Huh, I browse Subscribed regularly, All I don’t? When a post doesn’t belong in a community I know (ie regardless of subscription status) I vote down.
You took my comment way too literally, then. What I am asking is for people that browse by /all to stop downvoting everything they see, as if there were trying to train some algorithm.
This can’t be real?
What? That people browse by /all and downvote everything they don’t like? You can bet that this is standard practice. I’ve argued with a good number of people who treat the /all feed just as a regular feed and feel completely justified in downvoting anything they don’t personally like.
Take a look at these and tell me if these people are down voting because they are interested in the community or they are just trying to bury posts they don’t like:
There is no evidence for algorithm-based voting and those are mostly controversial posts which discuss the very acceptance of LLMs into a program, ie there is no guarantee that they belong into the respective community.
I meant my request to mark the community as NSFW is being downvoted, which I understand.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
I downvote the post only if the mod just removes my request, which I think is mod abuse.
Then block the community, report to the admin if the community is not respecting the instance rules and carry on with your day. Downvoting is just some passive-aggressive way of expressing your disapproval for the tastes/interests of the community members.
You’ll find that admin == mod == post OP in a lot of these cases
One more reason to just block the community or even the instance.
Nobody really seems to be pointing out that you are on an instance that does not require the behavior you are requesting.
I thought this community is for discussions about the Fediverse and not limited to any particular instance.
Yes, but there are no (cannot be) any content rules that apply to the entire fediverse, the admins of each instance determine what experience their users will have.
Not everyone is seeing the same posts you are seeing, and your instance has no rules on the topic. You could have more luck enacting change by messaging your admins or making a meta post in your instance’s meta community.
I’m a bit baffled at how many people are misunderstanding my post.
This is not instance related. This is just an additional NSFW type of filter. Please reread the OP or my other comments.
I see, then what you’re asking for is sadly impossible.
Also FWIW I do not have the same issue as you. Not sure why!
I occasionally see similar complaints, and I’m sure it’s legitimate for some users. But personally I don’t get it. I don’t block NSFW content, and yet I rarely see it in /all. When I do it’s usually a bunch at once, but like I said it doesn’t happen a lot.
The only thing in /all that used to bother me is the sports stuff, but by blocking a single community that’s mostly gone now.
I haven’t noticed that so I probably blocked them long ago. You have to do some maintenance on the feed but these things do not pop up constantly.
You’ve upset the thirsty weebs. They yearn for their Yuri furi porn.
No there is nothing to do. This is decentralized social media. This is what they want. This place will never be popular, will always lack the content, and in general be a shit show content wise.
