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      What’s weird is the young Earth thing is relatively new. Before the 1850s or so, you would be laughed out of the room. As ignorant as we were, naturalists were having a hard time trying to figure a world that was millions, or 10s of millions, of years old. Churches, of any stripe, sure as hell wasn’t preaching it.

      And here we are, with the flat Earth idea being even newer.

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        I get you, but how would you phrase it? I expect, BTW, that it might be intended to cover both the extreme of children forced to work in a sweatshop 12/7 and children who have to help their parents with some subsistence tasks.

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            Maybe not, but the boundaries can be fuzzy, and statistics tend to get built on technical language that may not treat the fuzziness the way you or I would agree with. So I get the urge to use vague language like ‘affects’ or the difficulty in finding language that is general enough without sounding mealy mouthed.

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      Easy to say, but I’d argue it’s baked in.

      “Fifty thousand years ago there were these three guys spread out across the plain and they each heard something rustling in the grass. The first one thought it was a tiger, and he ran like hell, and it was a tiger but the guy got away. The second one thought the rustling was a tiger and he ran like hell, but it was only the wind and his friends all laughed at him for being such a chickenshit. But the third guy thought it was only the wind, so he shrugged it off and the tiger had him for dinner. And the same thing happened a million times across ten thousand generations - and after a while everyone was seeing tigers in the grass even when there were`t any tigers, because even chickenshits have more kids than corpses do. And from those humble beginnings we learn to see faces in the clouds and portents in the stars, to see agency in randomness, because natural selection favours the paranoid. Even here in the 21st century we can make people more honest just by scribbling a pair of eyes on the wall with a Sharpie. Even now we are wired to believe that unseen things are watching us.”

      ― Peter Watts, Echopraxia

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      I kinda get it. Everyone needs something to look forwards too. Sadly, for some, there’s only the idea of afterlife for that.

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        All religion is baseless bullshit, so yes, it is problematic in itself.
        It is divisive by nature/design.
        And it is made worse by people abusing it for power over others or discrimination.

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          I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say it’s all baseless. It could just as easily be the passing down of allegorical tales — stories seeded by some guiding or controlling force countless generations ago in our collective development. There are even arguments for things like a collective consciousness or sub-atomic networks, suggesting that our linear experience of time might just be a way of processing information.

          Honestly, who really knows? But speaking as someone who has oscillated between Christianity, Buddhism, and atheism in my youth, I’ve come to see atheism as just as much of a limiting dogma as any other belief system.

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            After posting my comment, I figured the baseless part might get some critique, but I decided to leave it. I meant it as ‘not based in realty or not based on facts’, if that helps clarifying.
            Also, if you heap in atheism with Christianity and Buddhism, you don’t understand what atheism is.
            Christianity and Buddhism are actual systems of belief, while atheism is simply a lack of belief in any god or deity.
            Anyone who does not believe in some god/deity/greater power, is an atheist. Whether they like it or not, that’s what it is. A simple definition about a persons lack of belief. It does not come with any other rules or dogma. No rituals or leadership at all, so it can’t be a system.

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              I wouldn’t say I heap them in together. At times in my life I have rejected a belief in anything ‘higher’, which fits your definition of atheism, although perhaps my mindset was closer to an agnostic atheist stance, which to me is more along the lines of ‘I don’t believe, but I can’t be certain as there’s a limit to my knowledge’, as opposed to being a strong proponent of the belief that there is nothing beyond death.

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                Fair point. No one can be sure about there being anything after death. For me it’s like the safest and most logical bet that there won’t be anything. All other ‘options’ come across a lot like wishful thinking. No one is going to believe in anything that doesn’t fit their own narrative.
                Personally, I would not be able to believe Santa Claus is real, so why would I believe in anything supernatural? I’d rather find answers in science.
                Also, the idea of there being eternal life after death would just terrify me. It would be the most boring and useless way to spend time. It is the notion of my time being limited that gives it value. When time is unlimited, everything loses meaning.

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                  I hear you. But then does the existence of some sort of higher purpose/unknown science necessarily imply everlasting life?

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          @MotoAsh@lemmy.world @TomMasz@lemmy.world

          Firstly, it’s obvious “believing” means “zero evidence”. If a belief had any solid evidences, it wouldn’t be a belief, it would be a peer-reviewed scientific paper instead.

          That said, you’re conflating “belief” with “religious hierarchy” when, in reality, belief isn’t necessarily dependent on hierarchy. I believe in Lilith and Lucifer, and I have no one “above me” except for Her and Him. In fact, the belief I follow on my own isn’t even compatible with any kind of hierarchy, because these entities represent independence and rebelliousness, so it’d be quite paradoxical for me to have a leader/master/priestess/whatever.

          Finally, I challenge you to point out any kind of “humanity’s ill” inflicted by Luciferianism and other left-hand path beliefs, even those who actually have hierarchies (e.g. Quimbanda).

          So, I sincerely remind you, don’t generalize and attack every single religion and belief system on Earth because of a half dozen big ones who actually are to blame for many historical wars (“Holy wars”) and their interference on scientific progress. Don’t demonize the demons and demonesses, we’re friends of scientific inquiry. Beware not to do friendly fire.

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              @MotoAsh@lemmy.world Where in centuries of human history were there any wrongdoings stemming from Luciferianism and other leaderless occult belief systems? Where in centuries of human history did Luciferianism and other occult belief systems interfered or tried to hinger with scientific progress?

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              Go on then try to explain how pagan religions that boil down to “don’t fuck with nature, it’ll kill you” are damaging?

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                  my point that it doesn’t matter which religion

                  idk man saying it doesn’t matter what religion you’re talking about sounds like you think they’re all equally bad to me.

                  Also idk who’s beliefs you think I’m making a strawman out of but I was refering to my own beliefs that help me to actually go into nature as I can at least 4 times a year to help with my depression, maybe I’m more open to it because up until a few years ago I was studying to become a conservationist but it’s certainly better than back when I also thought that anyone who believes in something is a dumbass

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        at best its a waste of human energy and maybe good for those that require that emotional crutch

        your argument is the same for guns, which we as a species should also mature out of

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    Tips. How ridiculous is it that restaurant owners guilt us into paying their employees salaries because they are too cheap to pay them a living wage? How unjust is it that we chose to tip the people who bring our food from the kitchen to our table and leave the hundreds of other service workers without tips?

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      A better understanding will flow from knowing that federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour.

      So there is specific legislation in place to abuse restaurant workers, restaurant owners take full advantage of this.

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          It is the same in Canada. However, there are still special provisions that 2nd class the labor rights of restaurant employees.

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      Racism will never die as we evolved to be tribal. Best we can do as a society is make it unacceptable. Which was happening when I grew up in 70s/80s America. Now we’ve backtracked and gone all-in with dog whistles.

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        That’s not true. Sure, we have tribalism, but there’s no reason it has to be about race. It could be about religion, politics, country of origin, and countless other things

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          Sports. Watch the crowds in some European soccer or basketball matches and you’ll see how we managed to keep tribalism alive and well, but (mostly) harmless.

          (You need stadiums that can handle tens of thousands of people bouncing on the stands for ninety minutes without collapsing, though.)

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          In reality, it’s not purely about race. Most racism isn’t between groups that are culturally identical, it is between groups with significant cultural differences. Race is just the most obvious attribute used to identify the other group.

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    In the USA: complicated tax returns that require tax software and/or professional help. It’s a rent-seeking scam.

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      The complication is mostly determining what actually counts as income and the insane amount of deductions and credits you might be eligible for.

      For most people a simple standard deduction is very easy to file, and can be done on paper in 15-30 minutes. But I agree that this is still too complicated.

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    Religion.

    It served a purpose when societies were first moving from hunting and gathering to agriculture. A community needed to coalesce around something tangible for resource sharing, protection, decision making, etc…

    It’s why, from a societal evolution perspective, we went from totemic religions based on fertility and family groups, to mass religions with defined hierachies and roles, because the evolution or religions reflect that evolutions of society at the time.

    We don’t need that anymore. It does more harm than good in the modern world.

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      People used to need religion to stop them from functioning the same as animals back then, but in this century, if someone needs to be told by a religion that murder is bad to stop them from doing it, then they should be locked up.

      Also so much molesting goes on at religious places that people just sweep under the rug. And what batshit crazy is going on with women in religions? Like there is a stoning sentence for a married woman who cheats, she just cheated! Get a freaking divorce and move on.

      Cults get so much shit but what exactly is the difference between a religion and cult? They sound pretty similar if you look from an outside perspective.

      The most important thing is we gotta think about the children. Just imagine how cruel it would sound to an alien.

      “We make our 9 year Old daughters up before sunrise every morning to pray but our sons can avoid that till they are 14”

      “We make our kids go without food or drinks for 16 hours everyday for a month every year. It is good for their body! (Kid passes out in the background)”

      “My daughter is having her first child too late. She is 14!”

      “So we send our daughters to be nuns, they will live there until they die.”

      “I cut my son’s dongdong.”

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            You know, I actually don’t think it’ll be a good idea to kill people who are only powerful because they can talk. The more I think about it, the more I think they’ll be turned into martyrs by their followers. It’ll only embolden them.

            So, something that really upsets the world in a tangible way would be…

            Shooting more CEOs. And bankers.

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              😬🫥

              I would be inclined to believe you, looking at these protests and manifestations that happened in London after the Kirk shooting. Scary works right now.

              I still want to believe we live in a world where there are more welcoming people than there are hostile people. Otherwise the world is truly lost.

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    Billionaires, government officials owning stock, private campaign finance, the two party system, racism, sexism, health insurance, private equity, for profit prisons, for life Supreme Court appointments, Nazis, Zionism, Wall Street, unregulated banking,jobs that don’t pay a living wage, unaffordable housing, student debt, the police state and lobbyists

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    I thought phone numbers and traditional telephone service would be dead by now. Instead, purely internet-based communication services often use them as an identifier.

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      telephony only uses a subset of internet things so building just telephone lines is cheaper, which matters especially in the global south

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        I’m no expert on the subject, but it’s my understanding that mobile networks are being deployed much more widely in the global south than wired telephone lines, and they’re usually internet-capable.

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          wait, you’re right. not sure what i was thinking of… then i guess it’s an easy way to get a unique human-readable subscriber identifier?