Fuck governments and all their supporters.
Hey, appreciate you posting but this doesn’t seem like a meme and more like agitprop, feel free to post in the sister com (link in sidebar)
“The system” includes public hospitals, public libraries, public transit, public schools, waste collection, sewage & water treatment, public museums, public parks, as well as more abstract functions like standards organizations that ensure that when you plug an electrical device into a wall socket it doesn’t burn your house down - plus all of the internal government infrastructure and staff required to make all of those services functional.
It’s a social infrastructure hostage situation.
Sort of. If you actually spend time thinking about government infrastructure beyond the surface level, you look at how much extraordinary work is accomplished by organizations like NIST, or just your local county waste treatment facilities or hospitals, you recognize how much benefit you get from that every day, how many problems are solved for you before you even think about them (seriously, just try to wrap your head around what it means that you can just take any electrical device and plug it into a wall socket and it just gets power, and adding or removing devices at random doesn’t bring down your local power grid or cause brownouts or safety hazards, and how complex the system behind that is) you realize how much staff and coordination is involved in keeping all of that working…
The reality is that “the system” is also “the people”, and how can we escape from ourselves?
I don’t think you said anything fundamentally new in this comment that you didn’t say in your first one.
Yes, and also no one that has responded to me so far has actually responded to what I said, fundamentally, in my first comment.
I have gotten a fair amount of ad hominem though. Always impressive to see that, definitely a sign of emotionally mature people with well thought out ideas.
You’re in an anarchist com. People here don’t really care about why things are organized this way; just that the state exist and that’s a problem. Lemmy as a whole has left leaning people, so they will talk about anarchy and means of production. Still if you are curious there is the far right version called anarcho capitalism which wants to see NIST as multiple private for profit entities. DOGE and the current shut down are part of the ancap plans for the US (inspired by Argentina)
OP seems like a 14 year old libertarian whose parents complain about paying taxes.
I would say it’s ironic that someone was using a reference to an indigenous people who were fighting against a fascist colonial state as a username and arguing in favor of fascism, but actually nerds missing the fucking point with literature is the norm, not the exception.
Who is arguing in favor of fascism?
anyone arguing to keep a system of fascism. whether they consider themselves a fascist, or not.
OK, tell you what, when you can provide a plan in detail that describes how your local county hospital (not the entire country or anything, just one facility) will keep the lights on, clean water flowing, waste collection and disposal handled, sanitation supplies and other logistical needs met, emergency room staffed and operational, blood bags and critical medications in stock, and long- and short-term patient care needs met while you are busy “fucking” the current system (and presumably establishing a new one) then you might be worth listening to.
Until then you’re just an angsty teenager making extreme accusations that only serve to highlight your very tenuous grasp of reality.
You have no idea what you’re talking about in practice, or what the human cost would be.
OK, tell you what, when you can provide a plan in detail
the economy is made up. you’re so brainwashed by capitalism, that you think it’s the system that’s keeping those things running, and not the labor of the working class. only the rich depend on capitalism for existence.
then you might be worth listening to.
I don’t care if you listen to me or not, just stay out of our fucking way, bootlicker.
the economy is made up.
Of course it’s “made up”, that does not make it irrelevant or inconsequential. All of human language is “made up” too. That’s some real “Im14andthisisdeep” shit right there.
you’re so brainwashed by capitalism, that you think it’s the system that’s keeping those things running, and not the labor of the working class.
I didn’t say a damn thing about capitalism. Don’t project, and don’t put words in my mouth.
I’m talking about logistics, administration and coordination, things that require “the system”, or at least a system of some sort in order to function properly.
Of course it’s labor that makes it happen, but when it comes down to it a hospital does not and will not manufacture its own resources (exam gloves, IV bags, water, electricity, etc). Those things must be produced somewhere else and brought to the hospital when needed, which means someone has to do the administrative work of deciding how much and how often, and how to get it from point A to point B. That administration is “the system” that you’re so keen to break, without a plan to support the needs that are currently sustained by it.
I don’t care if you listen to me or not, just stay out of our fucking way, bootlicker.
If you can’t bring yourself to address the pragmatic details of your ideas then they belong in the bin alongside the venture capitalists. No amount of name calling on your part will change that.
Of course it’s “made up”, that does not make it irrelevant or inconsequential.
it’s inconsequential to me. I didn’t bother to read any further than this, capitalist pig. you’re dismissed, so fuck off.
https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project (Archive version)
The plan probably involves bears.
Personally, I find it useful to distinguish between government and governance. All that infrastructure you describe would be impossible without systems of governance. Government (as most people understand it) isn’t the only form of governance.
I’m not sure what a world without government would look like, but to me, that’s the big challenge — how do governance (in a manner that’s actually democratic without being overly bogged down in bureaucracy). I don’t think it’s impossible though, and even if we’re unfathomably far away from actually getting to a point where we could do away with government, it’s useful to ask the question.
Yesss, teto approved meme
End Statism.
generated pic ;(
