“We can produce results that meet our quality standards without its assistance.”
  • Maestro@fedia.io
    33·
    19 days ago

    Does this specify the kinds of AI? Are none of these devs using code completion on their IDEs? Or refactoring tools? Because the bulk of them use AI these says.

    • fonix232@fedia.io
      63·
      19 days ago

      Even yesteryear’s code completion systems (that didn’t rely on LLMs) are technically speaking, AI systems.

      While the term “AI” became the next “crypto” or “Blockchain”, in reality we’ve been using various AI products for the better part of the past 30 years.

      • nogooduser@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        19 days ago

        We used to call the code that determined NPC behaviour AI.

        It wasn’t AI as we know it now but it was intended to give vaguely realistic behaviour (such as taking a sensible route from A to B).

      • Badabinski@kbin.earth
        17·
        19 days ago

        You mean code completion that just parses a file into an AST and does fuzzy string matching against tokens used to build that AST? I would not personally classify that as AI. It’s code that was written by humans and is perfectly understandable by humans. There is no probabilistic component present, there is no generated matrix, there’s no training process, it’s just simple parsing and string matching.

        It’s early and I’m tired and probably in a poor mood and being needlessly fussy, so I apologize if this completely misses the point of your comment. I agree that there’s other stuff we’ve been using for ages which could be reasonably classified as “AI,” but I don’t feel like traditional code completion systems fit there.

        • renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          14·
          19 days ago

          AI doesn’t have to be probabilistic, a classical computer science definition of AI states that it has to be an actor that reacts to some percepts according to some policy

    • kibiz0r@midwest.socialEnglish
      50·
      19 days ago

      The seal looks like this:

      Code completion is probably a gray area.

      Those models generally have much smaller context windows, so the energy concern isn’t quite as extreme.

      You could also reasonably make a claim that the model is legally in the clear as far as licensing, if the training data was entirely open source (non-attribution, non-share-alike, and commercial-allowed) licensed code. (A big “if”)

      All of that to say: I don’t think I would label code-completion-using anti-AI devs as hypocrites. I think the general sentiment is less “what the technology does” and more “who it does it to”. Code completion, for the most part, isn’t deskilling labor, or turning experts into chatbot-wrangling accountability sinks.

      Like, I don’t think the Luddites would’ve had a problem with an artisan using a knitting frame in their own home. They were too busy fighting against factories locking children inside for 18-hour shifts, getting maimed by the machines or dying trapped in a fire. It was never the technology itself, but the social order that was imposed through the technology.

    • Damarus@feddit.orgEnglish
      44·
      19 days ago

      I would primarily understand it as being free of generative AI (picture and sound), which is what is most obvious when actually playing a game. I’m personally not against using LLMs for coding if you actually know what you’re doing and properly review the output. However at that point most will come to the conclusion that you could write the code manually anyways and probably save time.

    • datavoid@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      19 days ago

      Personally speaking I don’t care at all about dev tools, as they have always been used. Vibe coding does bother me though - if you don’t know HOW to code, you probably shouldn’t be doing it.

      The real issue though is using AI generated assets. If you have a game that uses human made art, story, and music, no one is going to complain about you using AI. Even if you somehow managed to get there via vibe coding.

    • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      89·
      19 days ago

      When everyone else is selling poison, selling something actually edible is a pretty good move.

      AI free art (aka theft free art) is like cruelty free cotton. A lot of people do, and should, care.

      You tout a 80 dollar price, entirely ignoring that indie games are often sub-40. Nice ragebait.

    • magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      60·
      19 days ago

      Lmao what is this comment?

      Are you really conflating the idea that people want art made by people with racism and hard-right politics?

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        6·
        19 days ago

        I actually got doxing/threats of physical violence here on lemmy for pushing back on idiots claiming being against AI was like being racist, these people are insufferable and no matter what they think their intentions are, the consequences of their ideology is a sweeping under the rug of actual injustice, systematic prejudice and violence.

    • 4am@lemmy.zipEnglish
      25·
      19 days ago

      Imagine thinking that disliking AI is racist, or a class war wedge issue.