Why bring skills? Why not train people?
Birthrate in Europe is declining
I thought automation was going to take all the jobs? Seems like one problem solves the other
for years it has been a capitalistic idea that if a country has more people in it, it’s always better, because that means there’s more workers who can be exploited by companies.
that’s however changing right now, because capitalists are understanding that if there’s more people in the country, then you also need to feed and house them (or there’s social unrest) and that costs money. And if you can’t give people good jobs (like, due to automation there’s fewer jobs in total), then you’re essentially paying for people to sit around and do nothing, and that’s expensive and probably not in the capitalist interest. that’s why we’re seeing a change of narrative in social media rn, where there’s less talking of “we need more people, muh duh, declining birthrate” and more people saying “well, actually, a declining birthrate is a good thing” and such.
Robots don’t pay taxes, health insurance or into the retirement fund that old people will need.
We’ve never ran out of jobs though
That’s exactly the point. Taxes aren’t the problem either. Unpaid taxes are.
And have them demand to be paid? Sheesh.
And what sort of skills are we talking about? It’s not like most of the migrants coming illegally now are doctors and surgeons. That’s a very very tiny portion and I’m willing to bet they are already much more likely to have avenues to come in legally. Highly skilled, university trained people aren’t the ones crowding the migrant boats.
@Saapas
Been having a deep draught of the “illegals!!” Kool-Aid, have we?I have no idea what you’re trying to say with this one tbh
I think it boils down to you being a dick
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Don’t you need skilled people to train others?
Hush, don’t disturb their xenophobia with rational thought
Wow, so even the conservatives now realized that if you leave no legal avenue for migrants, they will simply come here illegally?
But let’s not get too crazy. If you flee your country with no way of obtaining a work permit in your country, you are still screwed.
Von der Leyen talking about skills. Just my kind of humour.
I wish i could get optimistic about this but i’ve seen the EU commission, and Von der Leyen specifically, mess up too many times in the past. They’re shitheads, full of stupidity and incredible lack of actual understanding of what they’re doing. But that’s just a personal opinion.
Now let a qualified person say it.
How is this a good thing for EU citizens? Are there lots of these jobs now in need of workers that is not available? Or will many EU workers loose their jobs as firms shift to cheap immigrant workers?
The economy adapts to the supply of workers, and as the UK found out after brexit, if you restrict the supply of workers the work generally goes away.
They had produce rotting in the fields because they couldn’t find workers and the locals weren’t interested in that kind of work. Raising salaries wasn’t an option because consumers weren’t interested in paying more. Economics is fun, isn’t it?
Did we learn nothing from 2015?
Stop the brain drain from countries that needs their educated people at home.
This is just white savior crap with the added effect of causing developing nations to take longer to develop.
I strongly believe that to improve a country you need educated citizens, we should absolutely help developing nations with offering free/reduced cost education to citizens of developing countries so they get an educated workforce with a strong network of connections that will aid cooperation and development.
That’s the crux with developing countries. If a citizen can make 20x their salary somewhere else why wouldn’t they?
Should we block people from emigrating? Is limiting their freedom good for us/them?
It’s a tricky question because like you say in the long term their home country would most likely benefit from them staying.
There is a way to deal with it.
Have the country pay for the education abroad, but have the person be required to work 10 years in the country to recieve their diploma.
After that they are welcome to move as they please.
Most developing countries don’t have a brain drain problem but a capital problem. Remittances from people that moved abroad are a strong factor helping with that and are bigger than the official development assistance for example.
That is a good point I had not considered.
If there is not a brain drain issue then I will concede that my point is not valid.
Stop being a snowflake, if you’re too cucked to avoid being replaced by a brown person that’s strong beta vibes I‘m sensing and that sounds like a you problem.
Hope I got the language right. In all seriousness though the whole 2015 migration trope was a right wing psy-op and you fell for it, congratulations. I live in Germany and the only thing I learned is that Syrians can cook much better than you whoever you are.
As if people can be motivated to come to Europe on a whim and only haven’t come because we only accepted them from a dangerous entrance by sketchy boat.
Even if it works, it’s an expression of values that will corrupt the EU forever. *
* Not because we invite foreigners but because we treat workers as objects.
I don’t remember when or why I tagged you as ‘Fascist sympathiser’ but it certainly appears to be accurate.
What ridiculous rhetoric you’re spouting.
What is fascist about saying that we shouldn’t treat people like expendible slaves?
Or rather, thanks for the feedback. I wasn’t aware that it could be seen as fascist.
Is that what you were saying? Because that’s not how I read or understood it.
I did just wake up… maybe I need another hour or two.
It is.
It is also obviously too early for me to write comments.
I was banned by a mod for suggesting that human rights and fascism are not mutually exclusive and that fascism shouldn’t be defined by that.
It means that a fascist country can pay lip service to human rights which is dangerous. It also means that in theory, there could be a fascist country that respects human rights fully. That seems to require the disclaimer that there are other reasons why fascism is not good.
Of course it could also be any other comment.
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Thanks.
The president of the European Commission proposes to focus on a hitherto little explored dimension, not least because, by definition, an economic migrant falls outside the concept of refugee and is not entitled to reception.
Those things are pretty much tied because economic migrants are abusing the refugee system to come to Europe. But having legal opportunities and being stricter about returning people back if they reach the shores would probably help the situation
Interesting photo to use for a discussion about skilled workers
Honestly I’m trying to find to find words that won’t break community rules but I’m struggling to find them. There are many places where you’ll find people sharing your point of view, this is not one of them and I’d like to keep it that way.
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