cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/59455315
Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura says the people of his state should consider leaving the United States. In an interview on the SpinSisters podcast that premiered Saturday, Ventura pitched his plan by saying that it’s clear President Donald Trump doesn’t want the state.
“How about since Trump dislikes Minnesota so bad and we’re so out of control, let’s join Canada. Instead of Canada becoming the 51st state of America and lose their healthcare… I’d like to see Minnesota, all of us become Canadians,” Ventura said. Make this part of Canada, because it’s obvious Donald Trump don’t want us. It’s obviously he’s ready to fracture the whole country for his own folly."
Look, this was already settled already. How about instead of running from the problems our country is facing we, like idk, actually deal with them. Secession is a chickenshit non-answer.
I think of secession as a catalyst more than anything. That’s how a civil war starts. The US wouldn’t allow it.
I think Minnesota even bringing it up would mean a lot. Why do I have to pay federal taxes for the federal government to occupy our cities.
In the US it can be no more than a masturbatory thought experiment. As I said, that was settled, and you know it was bad enough when southern republicans would talk like that with their whole “The South Will Rise Again”. No the fuck it won’t, but boy will it, and the Republican party in general, let the oldest trick in the CIA handbook for regime change work on them. They fell for a ringer.
Falling to republican talking points and empty threats is a waste of energy that could otherwise be used to do actual good.
You might be the most delusional person I’ve read an opinion from on here if you think another civil war and dissolution of the union isn’t possible or even likely this point in time.
Just because “it was settled” in the first civil war doesn’t mean it’s settled now and forever, thats not how anything works at all.
Don’t bother responding I don’t have time for the naive so you’re blocked
Uh huh.👍✌️
Sounds like what the British thought before the revolutionary war. When the government stops giving a shit about laws and the constitution. There is going to be a breaking point. In Minnesota we have been following the rules, staying peaceful, yet they have not turned down the occupation.
But eventually that will run out. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable” -JFK
Empires come and go with time. Look at any point in history.
Y’all have been done wrong. I’m not arguing that at all. And if the country balkanizes then all bets are off. But if not, we have on record how a state that attempts to secede will be dealt with. Following the rules and staying peaceful isn’t going to help you either. One way or another, either in your yard or mine, fighting is going to be with more than words and signs.
Agreed. Nobody wins. But right now, our communities and neighbors are being ripped from their homes, walking around streets, in public.
Eventually people will say enough is enough if our state or federal government doesn’t change anything. And right now, words and signs don’t seem to be doing anything. Just trying to stay hopeful, while I can.
Arm and train while you can too, if you are comfortable owning weapons and can afford to get one. Private sales are best for privacy. If the violence just isn’t for you, learn how to give emergency medical care, stopping bleeding, CPR, and the like, and carry what supplies aren’t too inconvenient. Hope and effort are all we’ve got left.
Eh… I agree about fighting, but not the chicken shit part
I mean…it’s Jesse Ventura…but it’s hyperbole to make a point, I’d imagine.
You know I ignored his name entirely. The suggestion makes more sense now.
Yeah…although he’s often a thoughtful dude and he’s surprisingly knowledgeable about politics…he’ll always be the bloviating sensationalist.
We’re in strange times…and who knows what will happen…but these separation anxieties on both sides of the border are just heightened because of the age we live in.
I spent years in British Columbia, and if you ran in my circles you might actually be convinced that the Cascadia movement had legs, for example. It doesn’t…it just goes to a fever pitch when the other people are in charge.
Lmfao, goodbye Alberta, hello Minnesota, Washington, Oregon, California…
Canada could do the first three. California wouldn’t work though. California and Canada have populations that are about equal. It wouldn’t be California joining Canada, it would be California and Canada merging to form one new country. MN, WA, and OR could join Canada without completely upending the demographics of the country. But if all of these states joined, and Alberta left, a comfortable majority of Canada’s entire population would be citizens of former US states. That’s just the US annexing Canada by another name.
I could see Canada allowing a single state with only 5 million-ish people like Minnesota become a part of Manitoba or a new province if that was less problematic. No way they are going to take on Minnesota, Washington, Oregon, and California and suddenly make themselves a 1/3 minority in their own country.
I suppose that’s true. Besides, California would never want to join anyone
If states start to secede, the administration will be forced to face reality. Tear shitlers kingdom apart.
They won’t. They’ll just declare martial law and make Minnesota an actual war zone.
Jesse “The body” Ventura may be my favorite Alex Jones guest (in that he actually tells Jones that a bunch of his ideas don’t work in actual governance and gave some surprisingly reasonable takes) but I’m still not sure he’s a reasonable person to quote. Also on the competition for favorite guest, Alex Jones once accidentally got a really sweet Astronaut to call in who really just wanted to talk about how awesome space and science were, and wouldn’t go down any conspiracy rabbit holes. He didn’t actually know who Jones was but wanted to spread a lovely message. Had a cut message from his daughter or granddaughter too (it was oddly unclear).
no new england called it first
It’s no more silly than Alberta joining the US.
I do enjoy the idea, but I feel we have to call it out just like we do every time Texas talks about leaving. This issue has been settled (violently).
If you get a majority of the northern population centers and economies to seceed it would be more feasible, but it would result in an actual shooting civil war. One state (with the exception of California) isn’t enough to go it alone.
This issue has been settled (violently).
It hasn’t been settled at all. All it would take for secession to be legal and an available option would be for someone to get elected president on a platform of “I’ll let states secede.” That’s literally all it would take. If the person commanding the military just refuses to use it to put down a secession, secession will happen.
Reading the comments, and disregarding that Ventura was just making a point and not seriously suggesting secession, it seems that people are assuming that Minnesota would simply join Canada as a single unit with the current population as it is.
Obviously that’s not what would happen. Canada wouldn’t be getting a 47%-magat population in the deal. First, those people wouldn’t want to secede or go to Canada. They would move to another state before they’d let that happen. Second, Canada wouldn’t just let anyone in just because they were from Minnesota. They’d screen them and decide who to let in. Plus there would be USians from other states trying to move to Minnesota to get in on it. It would be chaotic and messy. Who knows how or if they’d even be able to make it work.
A more likely scenario would be some states seceding, a civil war and major population redistribution, then in the aftermath depending on if the seceding states won independence, maybe a deal with some of them would be made to be annexed by Canada. Or maybe negotiations with certain states would take place during the war regarding future annexation, and Canada might even help them in the war. Who knows.
This is more likely …
Trump: 47th president Alaska: 47th obllast renamed “Trumperia”
Just another indicator that those with the power to lead will do anything except fight back.
@Sine_Fine_Belli I mean, Mn is already colder than anything reasonably habitable… at this point, why not?
Remember, when the northern part of Minnesota ends, the southern part of Canada begins and Canada is the world’s prefered choice for immigration. Other things are more important than climate.
To be fair, the whole state is further north than Toronto.
