And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don’t understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
Ignores the don’t X here sign then gets mad when they aren’t allowed to X
“It’s so unfair!” … as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml’s authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they’ve never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don’t like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Took about two seconds.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Pretty much what happened to 4chan
Voat was so fucking toxic. Radioactive hate swamp.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Yes, you got me: by “hidden rules” I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald’s hides the Big Mac from the public too.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It’s hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
I won’t say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don’t want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it’s not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what’s happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I’m fine with having a general “news” that allows it all, “political news” that is strictly political, “apolitical news” that allows everything else but politics, “uplifting news” that is actually uplifting, “climate news” that is specifically about that, “science news” etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we’re not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it’s like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it’s like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y’know putting their politics where it didn’t belong (“weird” that it’s the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they’re that outraged by the mod’s response. I’ve seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn’t it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country’s politics, because you can’t get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: “You’re just privileged enough not to have to think about it.”
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn’t mean that I never talk about politics either, it’s like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what’s happening with our country.
But I’ve had to pare down the places where I see it. I’ve stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just…can’t anymore.
I’m acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man…the right’s “flood the zone” works effectively and I can’t just keep burning out.
Exactly. We’re not blind or don’t care about politics. I’m more than aware of my country’s problems and the US’s…
But how am I meant to not burn out on this stuff if I can’t get away from it?
Sure I could just detox from social media and go work on something that interests me, and that’s what I do most of the time…
But sometimes I do still want to chat with others, and it’d be nice to be able to do that and have it not be about politics.
I know more about US politics than my own country’s politics, which is a problem because it’s an election year and the Nazis need to get out of parliament.
I need to get into the details of things so I can do my civic duty, but I’m fucking exhausted from all the American politics that for my own sanity I just don’t want to.
Exactly. The far right of most countries barely even need to try anymore, the US has gotten so good at flooding the news that they even burn out people from other countries from the constant cynicism
has a very mild run-in with one singular community’s admin “That’s it, I’m done with the entire platform !”
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
Are they both the same person?
I had to switch instances a couple times before I found one who kinda tolerates my bullshit.
Lemmyshitposts doesn’t have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That’s it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.
There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.
I remember that. It’s seems to have toned down a little but, like, no Lemmy, a murder revenge fantasy isn’t a wholesome meme. Jfc
on the flip side there’s the million “orphan crushing machine forgot to crush one orphan today! so wholesome!” type posts that are even worse imho…
you know the ones: “kids save up to buy wheelchair for classmate”, “kid works 80h weeks to pay off lunch debt”, “kid works at meat packing plant after school to afford bicycle”, and on and on.
each is more depressing than the previous.
these types of posts are the exact opposite of wholesome, yet frequently get upvoted on wholesome communities and it’s just…what is wrong with people? why would you think that shit is wholesome??
neither the stuff you mentioned, nor the orphan crushing machine stuff should be on wholesome communities.
tbf, i noticed the popular wholesome comms seem to be doing a lot better on this front lately! waaay less orphan crushing machine, and way less of the “x died, yippee!” posts.
For sure, those were the posts that ultimately got me off other social media and lead me here, haha.
A few years ago on reddit I tried to put together a little multireddit of wholesome and positive-news subs, but so many of the posts were Orphan Crushing Machine material that I gave up :/
I think that’s been dealt with since in case you want to check again.
I would make c/politicalshitposts but I am not responsible enough to be in charge of anything other then a Crack pipe and a liquor bottle.
Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.
Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.
After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.
Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.
Still, though - c/showerthoughts?
Like, in all seriousness, I don’t think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.
It appears the post was removed, so the system worked, right?
I mean, I think about the horros.of the world.in the shower.
If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?
The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don’t need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.
The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don’t. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.
A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain’t either.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
This was the attitude of millions of Americans.
I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.
I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.
Typical troll bullshit, go away
5 words and I’m the troll.
Best of luck bud.
Ok, so would you like me to follow you around lemmy and constantly remind you of your kid’s surgery on every single post, or would you like to continue being able to talk about things related to whatever community you’re in so that maybe for a brief second you can have a bit of peace?
I’d be willing to do that for you, if you feel like you’re missing out and like people shoving politics where it doesn’t belong just because “it’s here nonetheless,” I can shove your personal issues where they don’t belong for you and hopefully that cheers you up.
Sigh, analogies are a bit much for some people huh?
Sorry if some folks have shower thoughts about things that are happening in the world. Ignore the thoughts you can’t handle or grasp. The world has a lot of shit happening and a lot of people take showers.
Sigh, counting is just too much for some people. Turns out c/showerthoughts has more than one rule: must be showerthought. That is rule 1 but you’ll notice rule 3 is quite clear:
And they even offer an alternative appropriate community right there. So, y’know fuck off and stuff.
You are very angry about this. I’m conversing about the post here, I haven’t said a thing in showerhoughts. Doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.
Have a lovely day friendo.
Well, “the post here” is talking about posting political things in showerthoughts, a community with a rule saying “no politics,” and yes I’m very angry that I can’t even get a short respite from politics even where it’s disallowed by name. It’s incredibly annoying and contributing to political burnout not just for me but many others here too. You repeating the same line as those that ignore the community rules, “it’s happening regardless,” isn’t super helpful, and on a post where they’re all here defending their evangelism, yeah you came off as defending it too.
I don’t care if “it’s happening regardless,” when I go to c/dogpics to avoid it for a brief break I don’t need it there too, thus cheating me out of my break. It’s the internet equivalent of my boss making me work through my break at work and it’s just as annoying. Have all the opinions you want, just don’t post them in some community with “no opinions” in the sidebar and we’re all good.
You have a nice day too pal.
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she’s eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
It wasn’t even a shower thought.
This is just as important for me, it’s a terrible fit for the Comm.
As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.
I don’t understand why have comms literally about politics and world news if you’re just going to post the same stuff to any other comm that really doesn’t need that kind of content. If people keep ignoring what belongs where, why have comms at all? Idk, maybe it’s my OCD talking…
Yeah, so when I go to shitpost and people start taking the posts seriously, I try to say hey folks, look where you are, this isn’t a serious community, let’s keep the shit light.
And so yeah, when folks shoehorn political agendas into literally any community they can, I’ll point out how it’s got nothing to do with the community, and how it’s frustrating, because it does not further the community, it just furthers that person’s (or bot’s) agenda.
The problem with cute animals now isn’t politics, it’s AI. I don’t want to watch ANY AI animals. Just the thought of being tricked into watching even 1/4 of a vid that ends up being AI, or giving it $$$ via views, has destroyed /awww and all the rest.
I hate this timeline.
I post in a lot of animal communities, and while I cannot speak for others, I do not knowingly upload AI. I even started checking with AI detectors, which is not something I’ve had to do even a year ago.
I think the rest of Lemmy (at least the core users) are very anti-AI and, like me, might only upload it by accident. So I assume good intent until proven otherwise.
What makes me feel better about Lemmy is knowing that no one is making money off of me. Even if I do end up falling for some AI - there are no influencers making a buck off it unlike on IG and FB and TikTok.
I have an ever growing list of blocked words on here, all in a futile attempt to limit how much US shit finds its insidious way into my feed. I really, really shouldn’t fucking have to mute half the dictionary, just to be able to access the internet without getting pissed off.
I feel bad for those Americans who are suffering, and stand in solidarity with them. But man, it’s relentless. I know far too much about US politics.
I’m in the same position and I agree.
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It’s OK to want to take a break from politics.
Agreed, I subscribe to a bunch of political stuff…but it is nice to take a mental health moment and laugh at somehting.
Cute animal pictures inevitably leads to conversations like:
- Pitbulls should be banned!
- Cats are an invasive species that are terrible for the environment and you shouldn’t let them outside
- Vegan arguments against pets
- Vegan arguments against feeding pets meat
Politics is just turning life into a legal model, the way physics turns the universe into a mathematical model. To ban politics is to ban life itself. It is incredibly naive to think you can do so.
Maybe you could ban US-cdntric discussion, but even that seems like a fool’s errand. We live in a globally connected world and the US is one of the most dominant forces in that world. Like it or not, US politics impacts the entire planet.
Declawing cats.
Docking tails.
Breeds of pets that are guaranteed to have health issues later in life.
For profit animal breeders in general.
Tbf I wouldn’t complain about dog politics in a dog community, even though it would be nice if I didn’t have to argue against animal cruelty and instead could just look at a pic of a cute doggy, at least it fits the comm. At the same time, if the comm rules decide that dog politics are still politics and therefore banned, then follow the comms rules instead of trying to bully everyone into your rules, which doesn’t sound very leftist to me.
Do I need to see posts about ICE in the dog comm? Fuck no.
Honestly I’m surprised I have to explain that, it seems like common sense. Just keep shit related to the comm, and post other shit elsewhere.
Like, should I start posting about Slackware in c/news and c/pics and c/dogs, or should I keep it in one of the many linux comms it belongs in? Ok, now, take that and apply it to everything else.
Yay, we did it, we did it, hooray!
