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US brain drain effects for the next generation will be brutal.
What’s worse to me is the idea of more and more of the scientists who oppose this regime are now gone, so what kind of scientists are left in the US? It’s not just drain, it’s likely a hard rightward shift of disciplines within the country. Fascism loves a scientist without morals.
We’ve already seen this in medical, with Dr Oz being promoted to a leadership position in the government. And now, since Measles has made a comeback, he’s floundering trying to get a pro-vaccine message out, since oh shit, it turns out traditional doctors who actually listened in med school instead of just paying professors off whilst doing bumps in the dorm room were actually right. Who’da thought?
Go back 20 years. Opioids ruined America and the AMA and FDA did fuck all until far too late. Sackler is still a free billionaire. Lots of MDs got rich off opioids.
Well, US biotech and Pharma hardly ever had morals. Most are just looking to cash out rich.
We started applying after Jan 6th. Once there was no real response holding those leading a violent coup to overthrow the nation, it was time to go. It took years, but away we are.
The GOP has spent decades cancelling my grants and fucking with my career. The lastest round of cancellations this year is just a swansong and a final goodbye. Fuck em, I’ll teach engineers in Europe instead. Added bonuses: real healthcare, my kids won’t have huge student loan debt, the trains go everywhere, and the food is better.
Unfortunately, I’m barely monolingual in English. If you have any recommendations for expats, I’d love to hear them - especially for someone that only knows English.
UK, Ireland, Luxembourg.
The more niche your field is, the more acceptable English will be anyway everywhere else.
You will be absolutely fine speaking only English to start with in the nordics as well, especially if you can land a position in one of the capitals. You will be required to (and absolutely should!) learn the national language if you mean to fully migrate and become a citizen, but I’ve known people who’ve lived and worked here for decades who still only have a tenous grasp on Danish.
To be fair, the Danish people themselves only have a tenuous grasp on Danish
Once you master all the business with half twenties it’s just a matter of memorising which article randomly goes with every noun, knowing you’ll sound crazy if you get it wrong.
Easy peasy, or as they say here, “kamelåså”!
Yeah that’s why I specified about the niche roles. If you want to work as a postman you will have to be proficient in the local language. If you are highly specialised, especially in a field that is in high demand, people are going to cater to you.
The multinational corporations I’ve worked with in Copenhagen were English language, from the executive suite to the mail room.
And while it’s true you’ll need to offer a skill that’s in demand, the list currently includes hairdresser, baker and landscape gardener among others, not to mention pretty much all the trades, and none of them requires a diploma.
We’re mostly monolingual in English too. Berlin is 30% first and second gen immigrants now. The lingua franca is English here. Not all jobs will let you be English only, but there’s some out there. Going shopping and stuff? You’ll be okay.
Learning the local language should be high on your list anywhere you move to, even if it’s another English dialect, eh?
Do you have any tips for American engineers trying to move over?
I’m sure there’s many more how to guides out there.
Big one is work, of course. Start applying now. If you score a contract for a long term job you’ll be in great shape.
If you can afford to job hunt for a bit, most people with degrees can get a ChanceKarte visa. That’ll let you move without a job and search/interview for a year, even work small jobs while you land a full time gig.
Start early on reaching visa processes. They’re not hard, just confusing in places.
Sweep up your important docs early. Get your work history documented, ideally any contracts you had for old jobs and letters of recommendation.
Patience matters. Immigration can be slow and opaque. Fortunately it’s not expensive for Germany, just paperwork heavy.
Engineering has a good chance for an English speaking job. Perseverance will make it happen if you want it.
Metric system.
Gross inherited wealth is the societal version of terminal cancer. It is the actual underlying problem that has gone unsolved. Intelligence is not hereditary in humans. No amount of money can replace meritocratic hierarchy at scale. As long as that issue goes unaddressed, this place will crash and burn. Anything beyond an upper middle-class trust for life must be forfeit. That one change eliminates every problem person you know by name.
I feel like all of the ways to actually effectively solve it are just wildly immoral, unpopular, or just too far from cultural norms to really ever happen. We’re cooked.
Like an obvious way to deal with nepotism would be simply not allow people to parent children and make children property of the state.
Now, when you’re an adult you can earn whatever in the meritocracy and build whatever kind of life you want, marry whomever, and have as many kids as you want. You’ll just never know those children.
Problem… solved?
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Holy shit what an asshole.
No. Idiot. Learn to read.
When the Americans that see what’s wrong leave, those of us who are resigned to fight will face greater challenges. We are abandoned by these people, regardless of their intentions.
The world needs helpers, not cowards. But I get it… We have only one life to live. I don’t resent them, but we feel it, when they go…
I think about Renee and Alex sometimes. I realize they are the best of us. They fought. They stayed. They wanted a better world, and they fought for it.
I don’t have a point here, everyone… I just think we should raise a glass people like this tonight.
I won’t raise a glass to those that abandon their privilege, though. You have your reward. Good for you, surely… But the rest of us must push on.
Cheers, everyone.
I cannot say there will be pogroms against intellectuals, although some radical movements certainly have had theirs when we look at history. I also cannot say how many of the scientists leaving are also in at-risk groups from a Nat-C government.
I definitely understand people that just want to live their lives just picking up and moving to where they can do that. The people in this article concern those that worked toward something in science, it’s not like they are professional activists or poli sci majors.
It’s the crazy redcaps that decided to politicize everything to such an extent as to threaten reality-based livelihoods. And so if these people now have a choice of: being completely impoverished thanks to the childish “maga” (baby word) thing and maybe even targeted for violence or imprisonment, or move to a place that actually welcomes the reality-based community? It seems like a fairly obvious choice.
I’m confused…The entire world spent about $55B a year on Biomedical research, with the US employing thousands through the NIH with a $40B/yr budget. Now, the $40B is gone.
What are these scientists going to do in Europe or Canada?, because NONE of those governments of G8 have increased research funding and in Canada, 90% of grant proposals are not funded. So yeah, scientists are moving back to home countries to be cab drivers while governments waste billions on military purchases.
As for the US, 0% of basic research that leads to new drugs was done by Pharma. They cut off the heads of all their pipelines to what was a $T industry.
All this says China may be the place to go if you can do math in your head.
Well, to be fair, each person only has to find one job in order to make their move to another nation.
Also, if they are going to be targeted for other reasons (race, gender, religion, political views) in the longer term, or think they might, moving might be the far more preferable option even if they are initially not working in their field.
My father is always watching the French news (tv5 monde) and telling me to move to EU since they are snapping up as many scientists as they can. What he doesn’t understand is they are snapping up PIs who already have made a career. They don’t give a shit about some postdoc/RA/specialist. EU has plenty of bright young people for those roles, and as you said they don’t have the money to fund an army of professional lab rats. I would love to live abroad, seems like a great opportunity, but realistically I have no idea why they’d bother to interview someone who lives in another continent with generic science skills.
they are snapping up as many scientists as they can.
And have they increased the research budget to pay for all this research? Nope.
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