People of both genders in Indonesia (66%) and Malaysia (60%) were most likely to agree with the statement, compared with 23% in the US and 13% in Great Britain.
We Asian are generally patriarchy and misogyny is rather common, but religion supercharge it to extreme level. You can tune in to popular malay radio station and they will bring on woman preacher that basically say woman should obey husband and do their role, and the woman host will agree to them. Self oppression is really common because they were taught that since as a kid. We’re that deep.
Informal, but in brazil we made a poll among our class mates and 10 in 40 students thought “women should be submissive tp their husbands” and “disagreed with homosexuality”.
And its precisely the most religious people in the classroom… The new wave of for profit protestant churches in brazil and america is crazy.
Many of the patterns in the US are imitated elsewhere. Probably something to do with all of those “mission trips” churches take to “help the disadvantaged” (well, I assume that they actually help, but I’d be amazed if they weren’t trying to spread their religious beliefs everywhere they go". Or, perhaps, they see the Billy Grahams and the Kenneth Copelands making a fuck ton of money, and they also want a fuck ton of money. Probably all of the above.
Or, perhaps, the US isn’t the center of the world and other countries aren’t “imitating patterns”, this is just also happening there for mostly the same reasons.
It isn’t the center of the world, I agree. However, pentecostalism and televangelism, especially televangelism, originate in America, and are mostly American practices. Evangelical churches like sending missions to “help poor people” in “third world countries”, which involves quite a bit of preaching. It isn’t a stretch to assume that the televangelists in Brazil were strongly influenced by the religious movements of the US. In fact, the Brazilian user I was replying to SPECIFICALLY mentioned the US. The United States is not the center of the world, but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum either.
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the ‘final’ messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there’s ‘one’ prophet to ‘go to’, under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don’t even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that’s best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don’t get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.
How exactly does that work? I’m pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
And the (Christian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on…
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah’s flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don’t necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.
Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.
But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.
None of that changes what I said. He’s not really part of the core of the religion. It’s just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.
The Old Testament is vital to Christianity first of all.
And to Muslims, Muhammad was clarifying the message of Jesus because it had been obscured by centuries of changes done by “men” and “the church”. The teachings of Muhammad to them are the same as the teachings of Jesus. And of Moses, and Abraham.
They don’t see Mohammad as inherently more worthy than Jesus, or Moses or Abraham. They are all equally prophets. I mean they even see Jesus as more special than Mohammad in many ways cause like I said they believe in the virgin birth. They believe God literally made Jesus in Mary’s womb.
And there are PLENTY of Jesus quotes in the Quran. Like full on teachings of Jesus.
The Christian Jesus is literally god. The Quran changed that to just a prophet, that’s a significant change. That’s pretty similar to how the Christian Bible treats the old testament, it’s part of it, but the new testament recontextualizes it to be something different than the Jewish Torah.
As a Malaysian, i’ll let you guess the reason.
It’s a country full of manosphere fans. Also religion.
We Asian are generally patriarchy and misogyny is rather common, but religion supercharge it to extreme level. You can tune in to popular malay radio station and they will bring on woman preacher that basically say woman should obey husband and do their role, and the woman host will agree to them. Self oppression is really common because they were taught that since as a kid. We’re that deep.
Informal, but in brazil we made a poll among our class mates and 10 in 40 students thought “women should be submissive tp their husbands” and “disagreed with homosexuality”.
And its precisely the most religious people in the classroom… The new wave of for profit protestant churches in brazil and america is crazy.
Many of the patterns in the US are imitated elsewhere. Probably something to do with all of those “mission trips” churches take to “help the disadvantaged” (well, I assume that they actually help, but I’d be amazed if they weren’t trying to spread their religious beliefs everywhere they go". Or, perhaps, they see the Billy Grahams and the Kenneth Copelands making a fuck ton of money, and they also want a fuck ton of money. Probably all of the above.
Or, perhaps, the US isn’t the center of the world and other countries aren’t “imitating patterns”, this is just also happening there for mostly the same reasons.
It isn’t the center of the world, I agree. However, pentecostalism and televangelism, especially televangelism, originate in America, and are mostly American practices. Evangelical churches like sending missions to “help poor people” in “third world countries”, which involves quite a bit of preaching. It isn’t a stretch to assume that the televangelists in Brazil were strongly influenced by the religious movements of the US. In fact, the Brazilian user I was replying to SPECIFICALLY mentioned the US. The United States is not the center of the world, but it doesn’t exist in a vacuum either.
Allah and his only prophet Mohammed?
You know Jesus is a prophet to Muslims right?
The Shahada explicitly mentions that Mohammed is the ‘final’ messenger of God. Also called "Khatam an-Nabiyyin,” usually translated as “Seal of the Prophets.” That phrase comes from the Quran (33:40.) Muslims interpret it to mean he is the last prophet in a long line of prophets.
Muslims often consider what Mohammed said to be the end of the conversation, contrary to numerous prophets that came before him.
So if there’s ‘one’ prophet to ‘go to’, under Islam, Mohammed is the alpha prophet.
Some Muslims don’t even believe Jesus was crucified. Some think there was a substitution.
The abrahamic religions are so dynamic yet the ego(d)centricity remains. You move from a dumb God that gets fooled by Satan chapter after chapter. Getting God to torture his most devout worshippers. Fun.
Then you get Jesus! Praise Jesus! Love each other. The hippy socialist. Flipping tables and feeding the hungry, healing the sick, visiting prisoners, and he even raised the dead occasionally. Truly God in the flesh.
Then you get Allah. A transcendental god. A thing that’s best described not by what it is, but by what it is not.
Then how they go from no after life, aka sheol. To heaven and hell (many mansions, weeping gnashing of teeth). Then you get paradise with 72 virgins, so kind of like Mormonism. Oh wait? You don’t get your own planet and godhood itself? SMH. noob.
Serious.
How exactly does that work? I’m pretty ignorant of most religions.
I know the Koran came after the Bible and that Moses and Jesus are considered holy. Is Muhammed the ultimate prophet? Can other prophets come later and add to the Koran?
And the (Christian) Bible came after the Talmud, which came after the Tamakh, which came after the Torah, and so on and so on…
Most religions borrow heavily from the ones that came before. Noah’s flood echoes the story of the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Islam actually takes an interesting approach to other religious figures. They don’t necessarily deny them, they more absorb them. If someone was truly holy, the must have been a prophet. In the Quran, many figures from the Jewish and Christian bibles are called out as prophets.
It’s more of an academic point than anything that has actual effect on day to day religious activity.
Not true at all. I mean sure Muslims don’t pray to Jesus, but they don’t pray to Muhammad either. And when reading the Quran, Jesus is mentioned more than Muhammad’s by name. Mary mother of Jesus is mentioned even more.
Fun fact, Muslims unlike Evangelicals believe Mary was indeed a virgin.
But to understand how important Jesus is to Muslims, just know that when the apocalypse happens in the Quran, it’s Jesus that returns not Muhammad.
None of that changes what I said. He’s not really part of the core of the religion. It’s just like with Judaism and Christianity. The Torah is a big part of the Christian Bible, but the focus and context are vastly different.
Not a good example at all.
The Old Testament is vital to Christianity first of all.
And to Muslims, Muhammad was clarifying the message of Jesus because it had been obscured by centuries of changes done by “men” and “the church”. The teachings of Muhammad to them are the same as the teachings of Jesus. And of Moses, and Abraham.
They don’t see Mohammad as inherently more worthy than Jesus, or Moses or Abraham. They are all equally prophets. I mean they even see Jesus as more special than Mohammad in many ways cause like I said they believe in the virgin birth. They believe God literally made Jesus in Mary’s womb.
And there are PLENTY of Jesus quotes in the Quran. Like full on teachings of Jesus.
The Christian Jesus is literally god. The Quran changed that to just a prophet, that’s a significant change. That’s pretty similar to how the Christian Bible treats the old testament, it’s part of it, but the new testament recontextualizes it to be something different than the Jewish Torah.
Thank you.
That’s… not a belief in Islam.