UK and Japan among countries that are considering options but yet to commit warships to blockaded shipping route
Countries including the UK, Japan, China and South Korea have said they are still considering their options but without making commitments after the US president, Donald Trump, urged them to send warships to the strait of Hormuz to secure the vital shipping route.
The effective closure of the strait of Hormuz by Tehran, in retaliation for airstrikes by the US and Israel, has proved catastrophic for global energy and trade flows, causing the largest oil supply disruption in history and soaring global oil prices.
However, the international response to Trump’s call for the dispatch of warships has so far proved vague and reluctant, with countries unwilling to commit to a military response that could prove treacherous for their navies.
This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn’t the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
Also suggests Trump floated the idea with the press before discussion in detail with, you know, the actual people who would be sending the boats
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn’t be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I’ve literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
Even Bush had a coalition of the willing.
The documentaries in ten or twenty years are gonna slap
… If we get there
NO country should side with Trump unless Trump is open to negotiated-ceasefire/settlement.
Otherwise, they’re just backing baldfaced imperialism.
& the minute that Trump decides that negotiated isn’t on the table anymore?
Withdraw support.
Principles are what no political-gov’t can have the spine to have, though.
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I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as “negotiation” with Trump and his admin. Serial bad faith actors with no checks and balances from courts or congress. They have no rule of law. It’s a tin pot dictatorship where no deals are ever honoured.
It is pointless to engage at any level. They act and react, everyone else acts and reacts. That’s it. When Trump is dead, the same rules apply because the courts and congress are still populated with the same people that enabled him.
We can save a lot of time and money and just eject US embassies worldwide for at least the next 20 years. US Diplomacy is dead.
US Diplomacy is dead.
Its not dead, its just resting
He blew it with the Norwegians over the peace prize.
NO country should side with Trump. Doesn’t need to be more reason.
Nobody should trust anything Trump says he will do, much less anything he would be ‘open to’.
Ummm… no country should do this unless they have super effective defenses against USV (naval drones)
afaik, no country on this planet has that ability.
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This is really stupid, just from a strategic point of view, let alone from a moral or political perspective. Sending ships into the Strait just puts those ships in the line of fire…so, why would anyone actually agree to send ships there?
Iran has the “high ground” here. There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way. All the US is doing, is asking allies to take losses for no reason.
My opinion is he knows ships will be sunk so he wants it to be someone else’s ships. Let’s not forget Iran has a ton of mini submarines probably sitting quietly waiting.
Or… he’s asking them to take losses because he doesn’t consider them allies. World conquest would be easier with the Chinese and UK navies out of the way.
The fact he included China is the funniest part. Chinese ships are already passing through the strait with Iran’s blessing, why the fuck would they ever help lmfao
He really thinks the Chinese navy is going to help?
He loses nothing by asking….
He’s lost any shred of credibility he might have had.
Yes. Nothing.
But he already had…
There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way.
Yep. The only way to actually take control of the strait is a bunch of ships and occupying/controlling all the nearby land within drone/missile/artillery range.
As it should. NATO is a defense alliance, not a pedoking/kingbibi distraction gone bad. I hope the EU can keep holding on, because the influx into far right parties and EU election tampering has become noticeable enough to possibly change this in the future.
Why isn’t the Orange ShitGoblin using the ‘Board of Peace’ to sort this trifling issue out?
Typo, it was supposed to be ‘Bored of Peace’ /s
I dislike increasingly elaborate insult names, absolutely no one who cares about it really needs convincing, they just make it unnecessarily long and random nonsensical jibberish. And I like mangos.
If they don’t make any sense to you, you might be clueless. Two words, too “increasingly elaborate” for you, and one of them is literally used by the supporter’s of whom I was referring to.
It’s obvious, elaborate means that they’re getting longer and varied and more contrived. We don’t need a million variations of insults for someone that is already reviled.
But what if they’re hilarious, like Drumpf
/s
NATO only does humanitarian bombing.
haha
Don’t you laugh, damn you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
“NATO framed its bombing as a humanitarian intervention”
A purely defensive humanitarian bombing, mind you, according to astute international affairs observer TheObviousSolution.
Now, let me tell you about a country called Russia. They don’t do humanitarian bombings. That’s quite silly of them since all they needed to do is “frame” it as such.
But what can you expect from a country that can apparently invade all of Europe with a single washing machine CPU.
Sorry to offend your favorite country’s pedoking ally that you had to go several decades into the past. Funny though, the love relationship between Trump and Putin, and how offended people like you seem to get when either are criticized.
NATO is a defense alliance. That it has or hasn’t lived up to the designation isn’t a good segue into your propaganda spins and attempts at talking bullshit about other users, it can be criticized when it hasn’t just as it is being criticized now.
NATO was formed by america to control Europe as pawn against soviet union, it has nothing to do with defense.
NATO had many nazis as generals initially, had it been defence alliance they wouldve accepted soviet union in NATO just after WW2 when soviet union asked so, but no their whole intention was to make an enemy and fund lockheed martin
Death to NATO
Go enshittify piefed, some of their promoters seem to want you there.
Let’s ask one related question so everyone can decide whether any argument here will be handled in good faith or not.
Do you believe Bosnian Serbs were commiting genocide?
WHAT!! It was “ethnic cleansing”. And what does NATO have to do with this? They have these humanity-loving impulses only in certain cases, it seems.
Original conflict was about Kosovo. 1000 years of progroms by both Ottomans and Serbia to the region. Serbian claims of Albanian gangs doing mean stuff certainly had a basis. Serbian army intervening is like Russia defending Donbas, or like NATO intervention for Kosovo/Albania (both picking a side), and more legitimate than US recent bombing of Carribean fishing boats.
Fighting in Bosnia, even if groups had arms supply support from different sides is much harder to make the usual political BS warcrime accusations that comes from home grown political narratives, and political BS against specifically Bosnian Serbs is an extreme stretch that has never stopped US+Colonial empire scum before.
The Yugoslav Army only does humanitarian ethnic cleansing.
The next world war is gonna be governments vs people. World civil war
That’s really what they all are.
Isn’t that what MAGA claims Jan. 6th was about? People are getting increasingly put into bubbles to work against their own countries by networks bought up by billionaires exactly for that purpose, and they are spinning it just as you have.
The scary far right parties tend to be against NATO. CDU implemented all of the hateful anti-immigrant legislation the AfD wanted. Its those “pure liberal hearts” that want war on Russia, and digital ID surveillance.
Sorry bud, Russia launched the “three day” invasion of Ukraine, not the other way around. Digital ID surveillance, that’s not party dependent, how blind do you have to be to not see Palantir over in the US. From the power hungry to the people seeing fake Internet theory work out in social networks, they all want “digital ID surveillance”.
Good. Fuck the US, Israel and Trump. And fuck anyone and everyone that supports this pedophilic nazi piece of shit.
The United States needs a regime change
And a system change to boot. This is a symptom.
Personally I think this is a Yugoslavia type situation. Better to just dissolve it all and contain all the stupid shit to one country, who’s the Serbia in this situation though since all the old regions of the US outside of the Carolinas are ambivalent at best towards this shit.
He is just looking for someone to be left holding the bag that he has already filled with shit.
Never has it been more obvious how important it is to get fossil fuels out and invest in solar, wind and nuclear power.
I hope everyone else leaves the U.S. and every petro state with their garbage oil and go their own way by investing in green energy, E.V.s and mass transit.
Yes, please describe plastics, pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, air travel, sea transport with solar panels.
The “garbage oil” is what allows 8 billion people to exist. It’s what gave you everything that surrounds you.
Makes it even more important that we should stop burning that stuff and using it for more useful things
I understand, but you need to understand that the type of civilization that will result from that will be drastically different than the party humanity had during the cheap energy stage. You think housing and food are expensive now? Ho boy!
Also, your kids won’t be electrical engineers, but farriers and carpenters.
But his great great grand-children will be able to grow crops and feed themselves. Your geat great grand-children will be Mad-Maxing it across a desert for clean drinking water. Either way, everything is about to change.
Yes, what’s going to change is that sustainable energy is what powered humanity all the way up to roughly the 19th century.
There’s no going around that.
If you take out of the equation all the oil burned in engines, Hormuz becomes less relevant. And there are already electric buses, tractors, trucks and soon cargo ships.
This is false. It is a cheaper energy future with more resilience and less reason for war (profiteering for stategic scarcity). Hydrogen-solar economy is cheaper than adding new fossil fuels, and so transitioning away the most economic path, before worrying about the expense of reversing climate damage. That incumbent energy loses in transition as demand fades for their climate terrorism should not be part of equation.
We can synthesize fuels and plastics. There have been days in Germany where the price of electricity was negative because renewables were producing so much.
We could do it, if we wanted to.
- Plastics and Petrochemicals
Fossil fuels are mainly used here as a carbon source. Plants contain carbon captured from atmospheric CO₂.
Convert biomass into platform chemicals
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Bio-polyethylene
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PLA plastics
Create synthetic hydrocarbons Using hydrogen + captured CO₂:
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produce methanol
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convert to olefins
- Pharmaceuticals
Most pharmaceuticals rely on organic chemistry
- Fertilizers
The key fertilizer is ammonia so use green hydrogen produced by electrolysis.
- Air Travel
Synthetic jet fuel (Power-to-Liquid) or Biofuels (SAF)
- Sea Transport
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Ammonia fuel
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Methanol fuel
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Hydrogen fuel cells
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Wind-assisted propulsion
- Steel Production
Use hydrogen reduction of iron ore:
- Cement
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electric kilns
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hydrogen heat
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carbon capture
None of these technologies violate physics or chemistry. The challenge is cost, scale, and infrastructure, not feasibility.
If oil is at $200/barrel then these alternatives become much more attractive
If he had consulted his allies BEFORE starting this mess, he would now receive more than indifference and contempt.
He pooped on his allies so they’ve turned their backs on him.
Damn, wasn’t it like 5 days ago he said he didn’t need the Royal Navy?
I thought he didn’t need any help with the war he had already won?
Iran has already offered all countries the out of kicking out the US and Israel embassadors so that their ships are allowed to pass the Straight.
Further, my impression is that at least in Europe and especially after the Greenland affair, most of the public opinion thinks Trump is an untrustworthy liar AND because they attacked Iran unprovoked, America and Israel are the ones to blame for the increase in fuel and gas prices they’re already feeling.
(There’s enough independent press in most of Europe that the “blame Iran” messaging is far from dominant)
The idea of sending European ships into Trump’s war is incredibly unpopular and whilst I don’t think we’re quite yet at the stage were kicking out the American embassador would be popular, the more fuel and gas prices go up the more acceptable it looks.
Then the whole Epstein files thing throws suspicion in people’s minds on any European politician that’s a little too eager to do what America or Israel wants.
At the very least the offer from Iran introduces doubt and confusion making it far harder for blackmailed European politicians to find a way to justify the incredibly unpopular idea of putting European ships and military at risk because of a war of pure aggression started by America and Israel.
I don’t know about you but my youtube feed is now filled with NATO propaganda…
Consume American media and media hosted by American companies, get fed pure propaganda.
The old Soviet joke of “There is no pravda (truth) in Pravda, there’s no isvestia (news) in the Isvestia” also applies to the American (and British, Australian and possibly Canadian) Press and other modern means of “opinion forming”.
Most countries in Europe aren’t quite as bad, but even here at least some of the Press is very biased and even Propagandistic (Germany what from what I’ve heard is especially bad, Britain I know from personal experience is horrible in that sense, possibly worse than the US)
Thankfully we still have the CBC. Privately owned news here is all dog whistling and hand wringing now.
Is that offer still open to friendly nations? As I understand it, they have been mining the strait, and things just seem a bit chaotic to mine it in a way that leaves a safe and known path, plus how to communicate that path to those they want to let through while denying those they don’t. Unless the minea are remote instead of proximity, but I think part of the point was to make the embargo passive so that carpet bombing the area wouldn’t be an effective counter.
The US has the largest military navy in the world, by far. They can very well choose to “escort ships” on their own, if they’re ready to accept the risks that comes with it.
The US is essentially looking for a sucker to stick his neck out for them. The British would be smart to keep out of this one, but again, they’re British.
American here.
Our asshole government started this fucking war and is fully responsible for the consequences. Other countries should embargo us until we agree to pay reparations to cover the economic damage caused by the war. Or better yet - seize any assets of American oligarchs to cover damages.
It sounds like I’m ignoring the human cost of the war, and that’s because the human cost isn’t a concern for those behind Trump. The billionaire class running this country doesn’t care about how many innocent people suffer, so they need to be attacked economically.
I like the idea of them seizing the assets of the oligarchs, but I’m sure they’d come up with a way to make the 99% pay for it like they did after 08 and like they already are with the private credit collapse.
Oh wait until Trump is out of office, there will be an aftermatch.
The British said they will look into it. That means no in British.
After mistreating all of his allies, after humiliating Ukrainians in the Oval Office, and after saying he already won this thing multiple times, he keeps requesting others to take risks for him.
Other countries should wait for his navy to get there first before risking their ships and people.
Remember the Greenland thing?
Europe remembers!
Please stop sane-washing calling any of the military or government “his”. It’s supposed to be our government and our military. Don’t let him normalize that it belongs to him.
until Congress authorizes a war with Iran (and they explicitly refused to restrict the 30 day do whatever you want authorization wrt Iran) it most definitely is “his”. the Statesian people’s representatives ceded their rights and responsibilities over the military to the despot.
The world should say “Drop the tariffs and we will talk”
Then say “No”.
I’m not sure the American people have learned their lesson yet. I say let the Tariffs continue until they realize they should never elect another Republican again. I say that as an American paying for the tariffs. The answer should just be “No.”
The average American reads and comprehends at a sixth grade level. Learning is not the America strong suit here.
Wrong, that’s way too high of a grade level.
