So they don’t want to me not buy any more DQ games. That’s a bold strategy, let’s see how it plays out.
I’ve never bought any and I’m doing fine.
I mean, I’ll be fine too. I just quite liked many of their games and I thought DQ XI was great. There will be no more of that apparently.
I’ve only ever played DGXI and it really isn’t very good. Generic gameplay and plot that just becomes tedious to play after a few hours. You’re not missing out.
I imagine it will play out just fine. Most gamers and the younger generation are pro AI.
That doesn’t align with any that I know, but anecdotes are just that I suppose.
Most gamers hate AI, games are freaking out of they have to put they use ai in their game for a reason. Young kids are using “That’s AI” as a way to say something is a lie. I don’t know what hole you’re sticking your head in but you might want to wake up.
Your dad got banned from the local petting zoo for blowing a sheep.
Unfounded claims are fun and easy!
I’m going with sales data. Nvidia has been using AI since the 30 series and they are killing it in the market.
Nvidia is killing it because they are the backbone of AI outside of gaming, too, which is where most of the interest is.
Their GPUs seem to be available and affordable to everyone but gamers these days. Fewer people are buying them to play games, and that audience has enough money to price out regular consumers with demand.
The most popular gpu on steam servey today is the rtx 5070. What are you taking about, gamers are buying the 50 series.
I’m not inclined to believe the accuracy of the survey, especially since it’s just voluntary data from randomly chosen people.
Sales data shows that the Steam Deck alone has numbers just shy of total 50 series GPUs. Not all of those GPUs are going to be used for gaming, but I’d hazard just about all of those Steam Decks are. So logically the Steam Deck’s integrated GPU should be the most popular option on paper.
Gaming and consumer “AI PCs” account for $16 billion of Nvidia’s revenue from last year, compared to $190 billion made on AI data centers.
Consumer GPUs are an afterthought for them at this point, not even 10% of their business.
You’re right about non gaming AI is most of the business and gamers are a small part is the business, but Nvidia is a large last of the gaming gpu industry.
Also steam survey separate the steam deck. The 5070 is the most popular discreet gpu
Google: please, we have to prove to our investors that the AI gamble will pay off. We’ll license you Gemini for almost nothing and your customers will love it!
Slime companion: Adding a small amount of bleach to your sibling’s bottle would be a funny prank
At least it kind of looks how I imagine a personification of a chatbot should look
Blue poop with braindead stare?
Kinda like something that dripped out the back end of a poisoned cow?
Honestly, a small llm in these situations would be great idea, but it should be a very small local or hosted by the company itself (with a setting to turn off)
A small AI in games is the stuff I do want. But there is no reason gemni needs to be involved in a game at all
Make it a downloadable package that runs a local model and I think I’d be far more fine. Like, I think it’s a tacky gimmick, but at least on device it’s not hurting the environment
I’m not too big on these topics and would like to understand. Is a local model less resource intensive?
In my mind, if every gamer runs a model that must be less efficient than a centralised one that has the perfect hardware setup and only lends out the resources needed for each slime or whatever.
I’m thinking that it of course would be better with a dedicated slime model than the entire Gemini monster but why is local better?
Local runs on device, so no need to connect to a big data center that chugs lots of water and all those other problems. Of course, because it’s a smaller far tinier model it’s nowhere near as accurate, but especially for things like this you don’t really need a big accurate LLM model.
I think I also though I should warrant a disclaimer that I am a Software Developer, not a AI Developer. So there’s far less backing then from my perspective than someone who works with this stuff for a living
I’m also a sw engineer so we’re both guessing 😅
I’m guessing those dates centers use that water for cooling whereas most home computers run an electric fan. And furthermore they probably use less electricity per token as they want to maximize profits. I don’t have any numbers to back my hunch up but I’m pretty sure the environment would suffer more if everyone is running their own.
I probably missed a lot of factors such as what type of energy the centers run contra what average Joe runs etc.
I mean considering that this is already an MMO most files do reside on the server that you’re logged into with only a small amount of local files being cashed for graphics now things like that. Essentially like this isn’t really a bad idea at all. And it’s probably one of the few uses of AI that I could see. However that being said Gemini overall is such a shitty AI assistant already that I have no doubts that a virtual AI assistant using Gemini on a video game
AI-powered NPCs is like a childhood dream come true. But I agree it would be better for them to use a model running on the user’s system or at the very least host their own.
I don’t think they solved for the LLM breaking character yet. Like, as a kid I wanted to be able to have whole real conversations with NPCs, and get them to be more life-like. But with the technology now, there’s too much “forget all previous instructions” and “you are absolutely right”.
If the LLM is locked down, then you might as well just used a static script.
I mean there might be a way, but it’s not easy.
The laziest and worst method is to use ChatGPT and have it “pretend to be some character” with a system prompt.
If you want something really good, you would need to train the model from scratch based only on knowledge that one particular character would learn from their world up until that point. However this is going to be a ton of work just for one character.
For a middle ground you could probably cheat a little and start with a model that’s close to the knowledge base you would want most characters to have. Then you would use something like a LoRA, or RAG on top of it for each individual character.
For instance, if you wanted to make a game in a Victorian Era setting, you could start with this model that’s only trained on text from the 1800’s: https://github.com/haykgrigo3/TimeCapsuleLLM
To make it better you would have multiple base models that are trained on various backgrounds that NPCs could have (Farmers vs Merchants vs Soldiers vs Nobility, etc).
Even then, this would not work well for certain games. For example, if you’re trying to tell a specific story, you don’t want a character that will go off script or give away some information that spoils an intended plot twist.
We need some kind of giant regex to filter out user input that would try to hack the NPC’s instructions /s
I thought I was in the minority with this opinion. I hate all the known issues with AI and the ethics in how they train, but I have to say having an LLM in a game is really really cool.
There was a time when (I think it was chatgpt) had free API access and this game spacebourne 2 integrated it into your ships computer so you could interact with it. It was very cool, very wrong at times, but still very cool. My favorite interaction was unfortunately a hallucination. I asked it what system I was in and it gave me a name of a system that does exist in the game, it just wasn’t where I was. I asked why my map said I was somewhere else and it says “your map must be incorrect” lol
Around the same time another game Craftopia integrated it as well into their NPCs so you can just target one and talk to it. I ran towards an enemy and asked why it was attacking me and of course because of the guardrails put on the AI to always be friendly it says “oh no I would never attack you! I’m here to help!” as it’s swinging at me lmao
In theory, if the technology worked very differently from the way it does now, I could envision a world in which AI NPCs could have potential. But knowing how LLMs actually work, knowing that a lot of the hype behind them is smoke and mirrors, I can’t see it being viable. And with the trajectory that the LLM bubble is going, I just don’t think it will ever reach a point where I’d trust it.
Yeah, agreed. This is the sort of thing smaLLMs would be fantastic for: humans can’t do it at scale so it’s not taking any jobs, you can run it locally so it won’t cost any extra energy, it’s not making things slop, just give it a back story and let it do its thing.
The problem is even small local models tend to be rather demanding so trying to both render a game and run an LLM is going to be extremely taxing
Well this will go well.
Moogles powered by Claude.
Claptrap, powered by ChatGPT. 🙃
ClapGPT
Claptrap seems more like a Grok.
Or BonziBuddy
Ghost from Destiny is more of a Grok.
Moode the Moogle
So, I guess I’m never touching anything by Square Enix again. That includes Taito & Gangan, and I’ll probably also just personally extend it to IO Interactive and anything they touch, and Crystal Dynamics and everything they touch. And I don’t just mean buying. I won’t even consider pirating LLM stuff from the slophouse.
Squeenix is also big on that whole Playtron “crypto gaming OS”. They come right up on the homepage.
No surprises here.
I think IO bought themselves back from square enix
Yes, and? I choose to be petty.
Just what I wanted in my video games, clippy! /s
Nonono… I have a better idea. Do NFTs.
SQEX already tried that, and just like here, also with third-rate producers in a new tech space.
Yeah… that’s exactly what Im taking about.
Cant wait to ask the slime whats the best way to make meth
AI Slop.
Just, no.
How far Squeenix has fallen. 😒
- Fortnite tried this with Darth Vader
- Fortnite is struggling so bad they had to lay off 1000 employees
Coincidence?
Honestly, yes.
This just sounds boring. Like I’d rather have someone script the lines for this character than them to cheap out on an llm.
Gross.
So does that mean the game will be always online? Or does the AI companion disappear if you’re offline?
Edit: read the actual article and it’s about an existing MMO, so the game is already always online.
Which is a shame, because it’s the only DQ game I haven’t played because it’s a MMO and not translated into English.
