No, the subject of this post is doing real work. All you’re doing is detracting from the work being done while wishing for some magical solution.
Something no American wants to do or is intelligent enough in how to orchestrate.
Some americans are currently orchestrating it intelligently, and your complaint is that they “shouldn’t plan, just do.” So much for intelligent orchestration…
You all sit there in your little armchairs talking about revolution this and revolution that.
That’s just the stupid fucking tankies, who also complain about any real work being done, just like you’re doing.
Tell me, has anyone of you ever thought of the aftermath of said revolution?
Yes, that’s why most of us tell tankies to fuck off when they talk about that shit.
Well have fun with that. Now run along and play, the grown ups are demonstrating.
It is by observation, as to how many people I see online talking big and boldly about their revolutionist dreams, but keeping them as just that - revolutionist dreams. Keep assuming blindly.
How is that not exactly what you’re doing?
I asked for a full plan, not a witty retort. You’ve demonstrated as to how little you’ve thought of actually running a country post-revolution would take. Proves me right.
More projection. Is that your only card? I’ve offered plenty of intelligent input on this thread and others, but your comments aren’t worth the effort because they don’t stimulate productive discussion. Don’t blame me that the only valid response to you is to point out how unhelpful you’re being.
You seem to resort to just spamming that word ‘tankie’ but I don’t think you absolutely realize what is being said to you. Man, you’re a lost cause. Fucking moron.
No, I understand exactly what’s being said. And I only use the word “tankie” to refer to “tankies.” You’re complaining about keyboard warriors who advocate for their revolution fantasies. Those are literally tankies. Are you offended by the word ‘tankie’? What’s a matter, are you a tankie or something?
So far in this thread you’ve called people ‘retards’ and ‘morons’, so don’t accuse me of spamming words without understanding the conversation being held. You’re the lost cause here, not I.
This is something that I always think about when people mention guillotines and why the example is so stupid to me. The aftermath of the French Revolution was bad for the Feudal Monarchy, but also wasn’t good for Robespierre and the Jacobins. If you recall, he was also beheaded by the guillotine after shooting off his own jaw and the sans-culottes were repressed by the bourgeoisie after the revolution “stabilized”. It’s critical to have a well-developed plan in any power vacuum or there will be far more bloodshed, instability and other bad guys will just take over.
I feel like planning is less the problem moreso the length. A day is basically nothing. We’d have to go back to Covid length shutdowns for even the smallest impacts to happen.
Organized resistance is a muscle. The reason you see so much shit like this in France is because they exercise theirs regularly. The US does not. You can’t go from years of a desk job straight to running a marathon. You need to build up. Get people used to doing this stuff.
No Kings started by getting people to show up to protests. Lots of people. More than ever before in US history in fact. Now they’re just asking those people to go one step further. You manage a one day general strike, maybe you can do two. If you can do two, maybe four. If four, maybe a week. Build those muscles. Build people’s confidence. Build the movement.
This is what resistance looks like. It’s not some happy little fantasy where everyone just spontaneously rises up and removes all the bad people from power. It’s not Hollywood. It’s slow, and it’s hard work, but it’s real.
This is one of the biggest problems with a general strike these days. The wealth inequality between them and us is such that even a year long strike will only ruin most of us, meanwhile they’ll get a government bailout even though they never missed a payment on their yacht. You might be able to destroy a MAGA supporting small business, but you’ll wreck yourself and your like-minded neighborhood small businesses along the way. I don’t have a solid solution, just throwing this out as food for thought.
Thing is there are no like-minded small businesses around me. Pretty much all of them either openly support Trump or try to hide their beliefs until you walk in when the right customer is chatting up the manager. If they all went down, I wouldn’t shed a single tear.
Well you’ll still need to organize mutual aid networks and logistical infrastructure to produce and distribute food year-round, every single day. Because if all the grocery stores shut their doors and all the shelves are bare, what are people going to eat?
That’s not so easy, is it?
What do you do when the majority of farmers in the US are trump supporters and corporate conglomerates who won’t donate crops even when they have a surplus that they can’t sell?
Even if you have the crops, how do you process them and package them large-scale without industrial facilities and labor? How do you transport them without vehicles, fuel, and drivers/conductors?
In order for the movement to achieve a complete and total success, without resulting in a complete and total disaster, you need to have these details hashed out. And that means getting everybody onboard: the farmers, the millers, the packers, the drivers and the conductors, the warehouse operators, the grocers, and the clerks.
And that’s just for food. What about medicine? What about education? What about mechanics, manufacturers, tech support, social work? It all needs to be in place, and that means everybody needs to be onboard. Without that, you have an immanent failure.
Small steps build the momentum. Every step in the right direction is a net positive.
Are your grocery stores run by maga small business owners, or by corpos?
Either way, if you want to run them out of business, something needs to replace them.
If you can’t see the connection, then you’re too shortsighted and ignorant to be allowed anywhere near the decision-making levels of any movement underway.
I’m not signing up for anything you’re promoting, if you’re that hostile towards the mere suggestion that we need to exercise foresight and think about what comes next.
That’s cool as long as you make sure you’ve cleared the building of any non-human persons prior. Start lighting up pets or livestock willy-nilly and I’ll give you a taste of your own medicine, personally. ✊🐾
Something tells me if that actually happened, you’d complain about how impromptu protests don’t work because people need time to prepare and they’re too disruptive.
It’s something, but more importantly, they’re actually doing it. If you wanna do better, do it. Don’t just bitch on here about how they’re doing it wrong
No you fucking don’t! You advocate for no planning and some spontaneous, disorganized, and magical “just do.”
How about we don’t plan them and just do them?
This you?
too bad nobody listens because everyone like you, seems to have it alllll figured out, don’t you?
You’re the one who seems to think you have it all figured out, so quit projecting. Why should anyone listen to you when you’re only point is “everyone’s wrong but me, everything the organizers are saying during the ‘planning’ stage is invalid, people shouldn’t listen to them, they should listen to me!”
Well, unlike you, the protest organizers are actually creating and maintaining a movement and taking tangible actions. So I’m not surprised no one listens to you when you’re trying to detract from that.
You’re the idiot. The IRS already has the money. It gets withheld from every paycheck. Filing taxes is just how to get the excess money refunded.
The only people who owe money from tax refunds are the ones who opt out of tax withholding, and people whose primary source of income is investment interest.
We owed money the last couple years. We definitely didn’t opt out of withholding, and we don’t make any income from interest. It’s as easy as just not having your paperwork done correctly. Or even when it is, as it was in our case, the default withholding is an estimate which is why most end up overpaying (hence the refunds). I ended up putting an additional $50/check for taxes so we’d at least be getting close to owing nothing. This is the first year in quite a few that we actually got some money back.
Yeah, generally you want to owe. Otherwise you are giving the gov an interest free loan. And losing out on any interest you might get on that money. This year I had some wonky job stuff go down, and they significantly over withheld on a chunk of my money. Not sure I had any say in it at all. So big refund from the feds. Oddly, as always seems to be the case, my state return was a tiny refund. High state income tax and no sales tax will do that.
You don’t “have” to. You pay for the convenience and time savings. So really it should be, “imagine the gov making taxes so complicated just so an industry to help you file them can exist”.
Not filing taxes isn’t the way to do it. They’d have to request that their employers stop withholding taxes on their paychecks. Filing taxes is just how they get their excess tax withholdings refunded.
Motherfucker, you’re right. Everybody should only buy what they NEED as much as possible. And they should seek out secondhand before buying new if they absolutely must buy something. And they should do only the minimum to not get fired at work, maybe even a tad less here and there. If everybody did that, it would make a huge impact. But that would be uncomfortable and inconvenient, so here we are and here we stay until people get serious.
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So… your idea is to have an organized general strike that includes everyone while not informing anyone ahead of time?
A disorganized strike, if you will.
I think their idea is that the protest doesn’t end Monday as everyone goes back to work, which is why this didn’t even worry Trump and his group.
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No, the subject of this post is doing real work. All you’re doing is detracting from the work being done while wishing for some magical solution.
Some americans are currently orchestrating it intelligently, and your complaint is that they “shouldn’t plan, just do.” So much for intelligent orchestration…
That’s just the stupid fucking tankies, who also complain about any real work being done, just like you’re doing.
Yes, that’s why most of us tell tankies to fuck off when they talk about that shit.
Mirror, mirror…
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Well have fun with that. Now run along and play, the grown ups are demonstrating.
How is that not exactly what you’re doing?
More projection. Is that your only card? I’ve offered plenty of intelligent input on this thread and others, but your comments aren’t worth the effort because they don’t stimulate productive discussion. Don’t blame me that the only valid response to you is to point out how unhelpful you’re being.
No, I understand exactly what’s being said. And I only use the word “tankie” to refer to “tankies.” You’re complaining about keyboard warriors who advocate for their revolution fantasies. Those are literally tankies. Are you offended by the word ‘tankie’? What’s a matter, are you a tankie or something?
So far in this thread you’ve called people ‘retards’ and ‘morons’, so don’t accuse me of spamming words without understanding the conversation being held. You’re the lost cause here, not I.
Yesterday was the largest protest in US history. Shut the fuck up you pompous counterproductive troll.
Have you done any of the things you listed?
This is something that I always think about when people mention guillotines and why the example is so stupid to me. The aftermath of the French Revolution was bad for the Feudal Monarchy, but also wasn’t good for Robespierre and the Jacobins. If you recall, he was also beheaded by the guillotine after shooting off his own jaw and the sans-culottes were repressed by the bourgeoisie after the revolution “stabilized”. It’s critical to have a well-developed plan in any power vacuum or there will be far more bloodshed, instability and other bad guys will just take over.
Fail to plan, plan to fail.
Whoosh.
I feel like planning is less the problem moreso the length. A day is basically nothing. We’d have to go back to Covid length shutdowns for even the smallest impacts to happen.
Organized resistance is a muscle. The reason you see so much shit like this in France is because they exercise theirs regularly. The US does not. You can’t go from years of a desk job straight to running a marathon. You need to build up. Get people used to doing this stuff.
No Kings started by getting people to show up to protests. Lots of people. More than ever before in US history in fact. Now they’re just asking those people to go one step further. You manage a one day general strike, maybe you can do two. If you can do two, maybe four. If four, maybe a week. Build those muscles. Build people’s confidence. Build the movement.
This is what resistance looks like. It’s not some happy little fantasy where everyone just spontaneously rises up and removes all the bad people from power. It’s not Hollywood. It’s slow, and it’s hard work, but it’s real.
This is one of the biggest problems with a general strike these days. The wealth inequality between them and us is such that even a year long strike will only ruin most of us, meanwhile they’ll get a government bailout even though they never missed a payment on their yacht. You might be able to destroy a MAGA supporting small business, but you’ll wreck yourself and your like-minded neighborhood small businesses along the way. I don’t have a solid solution, just throwing this out as food for thought.
Thing is there are no like-minded small businesses around me. Pretty much all of them either openly support Trump or try to hide their beliefs until you walk in when the right customer is chatting up the manager. If they all went down, I wouldn’t shed a single tear.
Well you’ll still need to organize mutual aid networks and logistical infrastructure to produce and distribute food year-round, every single day. Because if all the grocery stores shut their doors and all the shelves are bare, what are people going to eat?
That’s not so easy, is it?
What do you do when the majority of farmers in the US are trump supporters and corporate conglomerates who won’t donate crops even when they have a surplus that they can’t sell?
Even if you have the crops, how do you process them and package them large-scale without industrial facilities and labor? How do you transport them without vehicles, fuel, and drivers/conductors?
In order for the movement to achieve a complete and total success, without resulting in a complete and total disaster, you need to have these details hashed out. And that means getting everybody onboard: the farmers, the millers, the packers, the drivers and the conductors, the warehouse operators, the grocers, and the clerks.
And that’s just for food. What about medicine? What about education? What about mechanics, manufacturers, tech support, social work? It all needs to be in place, and that means everybody needs to be onboard. Without that, you have an immanent failure.
Small steps build the momentum. Every step in the right direction is a net positive.
The hell does this have to do with small businesses run by MAGAts in my area of Missouri?
Are your grocery stores run by maga small business owners, or by corpos?
Either way, if you want to run them out of business, something needs to replace them.
If you can’t see the connection, then you’re too shortsighted and ignorant to be allowed anywhere near the decision-making levels of any movement underway.
I’m not signing up for anything you’re promoting, if you’re that hostile towards the mere suggestion that we need to exercise foresight and think about what comes next.
My solution would be a mix a ethanol and Styrofoam in a glass bottle, applied to any business that you think should be participating in the strike.
Whatever you do, just don’t draw any association between your kristallnacht and the movement, because it doesn’t need that baggage.
Its strength is in widespread public support, and all you would accomplish is taking the wind out of its sails.
That’s cool as long as you make sure you’ve cleared the building of any non-human persons prior. Start lighting up pets or livestock willy-nilly and I’ll give you a taste of your own medicine, personally. ✊🐾
It demonstrates proof of concept, knocks the owner-caste off balance, and encourages future action. It’s not a wasted effort. It’s strategic.
🤦♂️
Something tells me if that actually happened, you’d complain about how impromptu protests don’t work because people need time to prepare and they’re too disruptive.
It’s something, but more importantly, they’re actually doing it. If you wanna do better, do it. Don’t just bitch on here about how they’re doing it wrong
I was gonna say the first couple no kings protests people complained that they couldn’t go because they weren’t communicating ahead of time.
Now they communicate ahead of time and people complain that it’s too far out. They can’t win.
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No you fucking don’t! You advocate for no planning and some spontaneous, disorganized, and magical “just do.”
This you?
You’re the one who seems to think you have it all figured out, so quit projecting. Why should anyone listen to you when you’re only point is “everyone’s wrong but me, everything the organizers are saying during the ‘planning’ stage is invalid, people shouldn’t listen to them, they should listen to me!”
Well, unlike you, the protest organizers are actually creating and maintaining a movement and taking tangible actions. So I’m not surprised no one listens to you when you’re trying to detract from that.
I’m sure this will make more people listen to someone like you lol
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What if I am due a refund. Should I file my taxes to get money from them?
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You’re the idiot. The IRS already has the money. It gets withheld from every paycheck. Filing taxes is just how to get the excess money refunded.
The only people who owe money from tax refunds are the ones who opt out of tax withholding, and people whose primary source of income is investment interest.
We owed money the last couple years. We definitely didn’t opt out of withholding, and we don’t make any income from interest. It’s as easy as just not having your paperwork done correctly. Or even when it is, as it was in our case, the default withholding is an estimate which is why most end up overpaying (hence the refunds). I ended up putting an additional $50/check for taxes so we’d at least be getting close to owing nothing. This is the first year in quite a few that we actually got some money back.
Yeah, generally you want to owe. Otherwise you are giving the gov an interest free loan. And losing out on any interest you might get on that money. This year I had some wonky job stuff go down, and they significantly over withheld on a chunk of my money. Not sure I had any say in it at all. So big refund from the feds. Oddly, as always seems to be the case, my state return was a tiny refund. High state income tax and no sales tax will do that.
Imagine needing to pay a third-party service just to file to collect the money you’re owed on an interest-free loan…
Oh wait, americans don’t have to imagine…
You don’t “have” to. You pay for the convenience and time savings. So really it should be, “imagine the gov making taxes so complicated just so an industry to help you file them can exist”.
Is that why the admin shut down the IRS free file program?
Oh shit, are the american people about to go there?
Because that is some rad 1773 shit lol
Not filing taxes isn’t the way to do it. They’d have to request that their employers stop withholding taxes on their paychecks. Filing taxes is just how they get their excess tax withholdings refunded.
Motherfucker, you’re right. Everybody should only buy what they NEED as much as possible. And they should seek out secondhand before buying new if they absolutely must buy something. And they should do only the minimum to not get fired at work, maybe even a tad less here and there. If everybody did that, it would make a huge impact. But that would be uncomfortable and inconvenient, so here we are and here we stay until people get serious.