I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?

    • disregardable@lemmy.zip
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      11 days ago

      Some people absolutely are born fucked up, but way, way more people are just born into fucked up situations and neglected until they explode.

      "Simply put, the better alternative to prison is to create and put people in social environments that don’t tolerate crime in the first place. " what does that look like in practice, if not prison/execution.

      It looks like early social intervention that helps people succeed without breaking the law. The reason American society is this fucked up is the fallacy that everyone is responsible for themselves. Absolutely none of the rich would be rich without extensive support given to them in every aspect of their lives.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        3·
        11 days ago

        Not to mention enough money to buy judges, and other privilege. Brock Turner.

    • Maeve@kbin.earth
      4·
      11 days ago

      Vibes based “feels like” over empirical data based (hard evidence). “It feels like bloodletting is a more effective cure for sepsis than intensive antibiotic treatment.” That’s how that sounds.

      All the time you spend asking questions and disagreeing you could as well spend actually searching, reading, watching videos.

    • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zipEnglish
      3·
      11 days ago

      Yeah, some people are just born fucked up, and putting them in prison to handle it is a bad way to handle them. What do I mean? Well, when people are born fucked up, it’s usually pretty obvious. A lot of the infamous mass shooters that come to mind, people knew. In some cases, they tried desperately to get somebody to help do something about it.

      But our system (correctly, IMO) operates on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. That is, we have to wait for fucked up people to hurt somebody else before we can put them in prison. Better would be a system that addresses mental health concerns and anti-social personality issues that people around them could draw upon, rather than just relying on cops and courts.

      Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that we could ever completely eliminate incarceration. We don’t live in a perfect world, after all. But getting rid of prisons is a good goal to aim for.