I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?
Without incarceration? I don’t think there is a massive anti-incarcerarion argument in the US, to a point. With the current iteration, sure, but other countries do incarceration correctly, where rehabilitation is the focus. But I don’t think there is an appropriate option for those crimes (jaywalking withheld lol) that isn’t some kind of separation from “polite society”. Obviously grey areas exist in some cases; self-defence, crimes of passion, etc where there are mitigating details, but just in general, I wouldn’t have any good options for those cut and dry convicted criminals that isn’t incarceration of some form. I guess the option would be round the clock services and supervision for redirection and rehabilitation? But that has a whole host of problems and you’d likely need a dozen or so people per convict? As well as housing facilities, and specialized workers for therapy/education, etc, and then it looks a lot like prison, just without the physical walls at that point.
I would agree the US version would not be helpful though, aside from attempting to give society some kind of satisfaction of “justice served”.
That’s still less expensive than building, maintaining, and staffing massive prison systems.