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Well yes, China does seem like the adult in the room compared to their own leadership so not at all surprising.
Its the comparison between frighteningly repressive but productive, and outright destructively, counterproductively sociopathic.
Neither are good, but one isn’t actively destroying the world, fucking literally everyone over, and complicit in a genocide and unjust war that seems for all the world to be carried out to protect several pedos.
Hopefully this whole shitshow will push people into renewables so hard that there’s no turning back.
This graph shows something interesting. The numbers held steady for a long time. Then the opinion started rapidly shifting during Trump’s first presidency as they ramped up anti-CHAYNA! propaganda. That continied under Biden and the opinion trend followed. But look what happens after 2023. Despite the anti-China propaganda taps being fully open, the opinion trend goes positive. To me this means the propaganda is stopping to work for increasing number of people.
Anecdotally I see this with people I talk to in RL (in Canada). People who used to be on the China-bad (like myself) train have gotten off it and see their previous opinions as shaped by propaganda. Far from universal but things are shifting.
To me this means the propaganda is stopping to work for increasing number of people.
I have different reading of the data. Essentially there are two superpowers today: USA and China. No one wants to be ruled by another country, but the dominant superpower has that power to shape policy around the world through military and economic actions.
What I’m seeing is that trump made the USA so unpalatable with his actions that China becomes the lesser of two evils. So its not so much that China’s bad behavior are erased, but given the choice of China or the USA leading the world, the world is rejecting the USA.
The world - for sure, but these are numbers for Americans.
I’m also apply the same logic to Americans. If a USA of the future is the trumpian-style, I’d rather have a strong China to act as a check on US power. We, the USA, are a negative force on the world right now under trump.
I’m American but sane enough to see that’s true.
Anecdotally I see this with people I talk to in RL (in Canada). People who used to be on the China-bad (like myself) train have gotten off it and see their previous opinions as shaped by propaganda.
It’s just that the bar for responsible government has become really low these days.
Exactly. And you see those guys doing something competent like building rail, or stockpiling oil for crises and you’re like - fuck why can’t my gov’t have this basic competence. Why the fuck am I waiting for a basic surface light rail line in Toronto, not a subway, for 18 years… (I know why, it’s a rhetorical question.)
West’s opinion of China is rooted in propaganda and a sense of superiority of the west having some kind of superior democratic system than China.
Literally your next post was:
I want communist govt to have complete ideological control. I do not want one bit of right wing thought in the name of freedom and in that regards china is doing great.
Do you even know who you are?
Whats your point exactly
I think the point they are trying to make is that the far-right is generally considered the autocratic part of the spectrum, so you are being hypocritical by saying I want an autocratic government to come in and ban all autocrats.
Then they are wrong, authority is not exclusive to right wing. Anarchy is only one part of leftist ideology
Because reports of abuses are being suppressed.
By the way, this is exactly what will come to pass in the U.S. in coming months, if we don’t stop it.
Human Rights Watch There’s a lot more in this article, I suggest reading it, if you have the attention span.
The Chinese government controls all major channels of information, such as television, radio, and print publications. Its “Great Firewall” blocks people in China from accessing information commonly available on the internet. It also imposes ideological control over the education system.
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Authorities continued to update the country’s censorship and surveillance regime to tighten control. In February, the State Secrets Law was revised and implementing regulations were published in July, expanding the law’s already overly broad scope. In July, the government proposed a new national digital ID card system. The cards, which are ostensibly voluntary, would give state agencies even more ability to track people online and offline.
I want communist govt to have complete ideological control. I do not want one bit of right wing thought in the name of freedom and in that regards china is doing great
Pushing them as boogiemen has always been a self-owning take. Maybe they are adversaries but acting as reactionary as we do is counter productive, and just allows them to capitalize on our continual reputation loss.
They are a great power and a great civilization and we treat them like they are some third world tinpot tyrants. The world isnt buying our clown show anymore. There are clearly differences between them and the west that needs respectful discussion that we arent bothering to engage in with them.
If we want to exercise influence in that area but also globally-- instead of paddling around there like arrogant hick dipshits lets get on with diplomacy and be serious about it for a change.
