What if we give all billionaires so much money they will become trillionaires ? Will that save democracy?
We can raise taxes on the middle class and cut social services and education!
And don’t let people enter the housing market. Just charge them higher and higher rent forever!
This was the only thing I could find that resembled a money boner
The author could totally rehash the ancient Athenian arguments, as their flavour of democracy was Sortition - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition . They (e.g. Aristotle, Plato) argued against elections - because rich and wealthy would capture them and take over the government, perverting it to further enrich themselves. The only way to have a democratic body was to select Senate (slight simplification, read the wiki for details) at random from all adult citizens.
This has been known to humanity for over 2500 years.
This concludes my democracy talk.
I’ve actually been in support for random selection for a long time. Treat the offices of the country like jury duty. Random selection every few years, and allow veto power via recall to remove them and do a new election if they do a poor job.
It can’t possibly be worse than what we have now.
Something to keep in mind going forward to be sure. With the world how it is, a violent revolution is an inevitability. And what kind of governance we want afterwards needs to be thought up now.
I like the idea of replacing primaries with sortition. Select 10 candidates random from among the list of people who voted in the last election. If someone doesn’t want to be on the list of candidates, they can decline and another will be added. Then you hold an election with a runoff between the randomly selected candidates.
I like this system because it still gives the people some choice. With 10 random candidates, it will be rare for an election to not have a diversity of viewpoints represented. So people will still be able to vote to support the policies they support. And you’ll still have a voting layer to hopefully weed out the worst of the worst.
Yes, this would still let money have some impact on races. But it would eliminate the main way the wealthy actually influence elections - the primary phase. The wealthy have their most influence in politics before the primary even begins. Right now we’re already in the middle of the 2028 shadow primary for the presidency. Potential candidates are quietly going around to potential wealthy backers, lining up support and financing in exchange for future favors. This is why “just vote in the primary!” never seems to work - the wealthy put their thumbs on the scale before the official primary even began.
It’s very hard for people to get their name out there. If an average unknown person wants to run for US House or US Senate, they’re going to need a ton of money just to get enough people to know their name. Candidates who aren’t independently wealthy have to sell out before the primary process even begins. Replacing primaries with sortition would eliminate the greatest tool the wealthy have to influence elections, while still preserving the fundamental right of people to choose their leaders.
If someone doesn’t want to be on the list of candidates, they can decline and another will be added.
We can just pay off whomever wins or threaten/disappear people until we find someone pro-billionaire.
Fatalism is fatal. You’re postulating a mechanism that exists regardless of type of government, so it’s irrelevant to the discussion here.
Getting rid of the capitalists is a requirement before any change can take place.
I really like the idea you have brought up. We need to get away from popular elections of candidates who represent parties towards a system of randomizing elected officials that places the focus on actual policies.
Politicians desperately need accountability. As it stands they can lie through their teeth and then do pretty much whatever they want once elected with zero consequences until the next election cycle.
It could be argued that the us has NEVER actually been a true democracy, or even a functioning representative republic. I’d argue all government is just theatre if I was feeling really fatalistic. I’m not though. We can build a world that’s not evil.
You’re can’t have power distributed widely if you concentrate it narrowly. It’s the simplest fucking thing.
It’s okay, soon we won’t have Billionaires.
They’ll all be Trillionaires.
Don’t worry, we’ll get new billionaires.
Meanwhile everyone else is grounded into the dust.
I don’t know about you, but I’m going to be a millionaire by the time I’ve paid off my mortgage. Because that’s probably how much my house is going to be worth by that time. Not that it will be of much use to me, because I still need a house, and every other house will be just as expensive. Paper millionaire.
But life really sucks for those who are too late to have bought a house.
In 2020, Elon Musk was worth about $25 billion dollars.
6 years later, he’s worth a trillion.
Eat the rich.
Funny - I think he’s misinterpreting what freedom means
In a 2009 Cato Unbound Thiel wrote: “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”
Isn’t that what the billionaires are starting to say?
Yes - that’s a quote from Peter Thiel
The author they’re criticizing, McGinnis, sounds like a real asshole.
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Explain how.
If you’re unable to understand it without any help, you’re in the same biased bubble as the account I’ve responded to.
Bye.
Makes claim
Asked to explain claim
Answers with whatever this is
What a sincere waste of time you are. If you can’t articulate why you hold your opinion, why do you have it?
Edit: Here, I don’t think Billionaires and Democracy, nor Communism, go together, because I believe the mere fact that people can become billionaires at all is a moral failing on society regardless of whichever system of governance they fall under. Their vanity projects that destroy our environments and burden our budgets, to avoiding paying their share in both taxes and in unpaid wages, I sincerely believe Billionaires are a blight on us all.
Like, if you can’t tell us why you feel otherwise, why do you feel otherwise at all? Why are you even here?
Bye!
No you can’t.
Looking forward to never hearing your dumbass again!
that is a given by now. for billionaires the name of the game is “which politicians are my bitches”
Can’t have democracy with conservatism and religion.
Because they both actively try to destroy democracy
Its not just Billionaires, its overly powerful business monopolies.
Right, so you don’t have a democracy. What are you going to do about it?
Would unfettered Fascism and Billionaires exist? The leader would just take all their wealth. Look at North Korea.
If you could define fascism, you would know that they’re very compatible. In fact, liberalism turns to fascism to save capitalists from Consequences™
NK isn’t fascist, buddy. Authoritarian, yes. Communist, mostly. Feudal, quite a bit. But not fascist.
Fascism is the marriage of the state and corporations to protect both from growing resentment, using nationalism to distract the public from their actual troubles.
Fascism is the marriage of the state and corporations to protect both from growing resentment, using nationalism to distract the public from their actual troubles.
Now I’m not sure if you are trolling because that sounds an awful lot like NK… They don’t have corporations like in your definition but they do have very powerful syndicates who influence and manage any internal conflict.
Which are the similarities between fascism and communism I guess, the differences being a merger of private companies as opposed to a grouping of government ones.
not if the leader is one of them
