• tired_fedora@lemmy.ml
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    Complain to your local government. Yes, many websites are guilty of surveillance capitalism themselves and are lobbying for it, but the recent push was largely in response to new surveillance laws passed by governments under various guises, such as protecting the youth.

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      My government are pushing for this stuff though.

      Which is why I am here now instead of on reddit where I got fed up of being asked to submit for facial and ID scans. Fuck that! I have seen some of my comments online, there is no way I want my ID permanently attached to that.

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        welcome! great choice!

        I originally planned to just join the boycott for only a month, like 2 years ago because of the third party apps thing

        but I ended up never going back because lemmy is so much more chill, interesting and fun to me

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        Yes, I assumed so. Welcome to Lemmy! I meant: Complain to your government about it! Only when they are pressured by enough citizens is they’re a chance that they may reconsider.

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        If they associate my online identity with my real one, i am so cooked, i said certain stuff…

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          Yep. Tbh even pretty normal stuff like complaining about work. You probably wouldn’t under your real name though.

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    I found out that when confronted with ID surveillance I don’t really want to visit that site after all.

    Companies keep pushing security onto the user at the same time as demanding more personal data.

    They can suck my…

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      they have data breaches all the time, if they don’t outright sell it, even to ICE. It’s insane if them to try and frame this as secure

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    I remember a few years back facebook had me ‘verify’ my account by sending them a copy of my ID. I sent them a stock image of a random dude flipping the bird and my ‘ID’ got accepted.

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    Sure, I can give you a government ID

    it won’t be real or it won’t be mine

    good luck verifying it with the South African department of home affairs

    it takes months to get an actual government ID issued

    if I have to wait that long,

    I’m using a different website

    dickhead

    spoiler

    @not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone how do I make that cool word art

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    I wanted to start using Monero. But found I have no way of buying it in my country without giving gov ID to the exchange.

    Some Know Your Customer legalities. Fucking sucks.

    The only other way is sketchy P2P trade sites where you have to trust the person at the other end.

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      I don’t accept it. But wtf can I do about it? Other than abandon every platform that asks for ID. But I have already done that. Which is why I am here.

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      Nobody is accepting it, this is the Sociopathic Oligarchs paying the politicians to shove this down our throats.

      Right now, the most effective solution is to stay on a full court offensive press against MAGA, steadily activating every apathetic voter possible, forcing every MAGA to face their fascism, take back Congress in November, and turn it into one enormous investigative body with a thousand tentacles.

      Then we can start putting them in prison for their CRIMES.

      And for those who say the Dems will never do that: Fuck you, YOU are the problem. Instead of signaling that you’ll accept their failure AGAIN, you need to be telling them that they’d better do the jobs we’re electing them to do, OR ELSE!

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        Begs the question why a lot of your society idealizes the mechanisms that give rise to those Sociopathic Oligarchs. They didn’t spring out of nowhere. Elon Musk is not anyone special. Trump isn’t anyone special. It’s not a just switch the dial problem, it’s a deeply rooted institutional one that will either churn out mild oligarchs at best or wannabe fascists at worst. Trump thrives on an exaggeration of an identity that does exist for a lot of Americans.

        Your current system will never do that, and you’ve trained yourself to believe the only viable solution that is widely accepted throughout the world, secession, makes you a slave supporter. There are some states that would start putting them in prison for their crimes, but which ironically enough will never be allowed to by the same gaslighters that want to praise the original secessionists.

        So what was it, was the war against secession a war against slavery, or was it a war to maintain American Hegemony for the oligarchs that could see beyond their slave farms and who ended up coining the modern day corporation? Because if it was to fight slavery, gotta tell you, the EU allowed the UK to leave without a problem and without weakening their regulations for private interests.

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    I am kinda on the fence with that. On one hand, I am wary of control it may give. On the other, we have children watching hardcore p##n and bots and troll farms spreading disinformation.

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      None of “for the children” initiatives do anything good for them, prevents anything or saves any of them. Also, in most cases politicians who actually rape kids are always exempt.

      As a rule of thumb, never trust any “for the children”, “for security” or “against terrorism”. It never is about those things, and even if some of the people involved think it is, it gives the ill intended people great weapons against free speech, privacy, healthy democracy… These slogans are always to target people’s irrationality and stop them from actually having logical thinking about the implications. They used them in the past and continue to do so because they work.

      The people spreading misinformation will continue to do so because they sooner or later end up in power, and none of these laws will control the government, only the people. Which in itself should trigger you to not trust it.

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      Kids will absolutely find a way around that. Pornhub and similar sites are nowhere close to real hardcore stuff which I will bet all my money on will not implement age verification. Kids will just shift to less mainstream websites with little or no moderation like allowing zoophilia. Even if they somehow censured it almost all like CP how long do you think it will take them to download Tor or a free VPN harvesting their data? There will definitely be that one kid in 6th grade who will spread the word. Even we as kids browsed darknet that was only out of curiosity. Install spyware on your kid’s hardware if you want them to have hard time bypassing it until of a proper age either by buying their own hardware or being smarter than their parents.

      As for disinformation. My discord accounts are getting banned left and right for bot-like activity even though I only use them to separate identities and are 100% human traffic but without a no longer valid email. Idk how scammers bypass it but they probably steal user accounts.

      TLDR; It solves nothing but empowers bigger threats even without government overreach.

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      Idk, I watched hardcore porn as a teenager and I turned out fine. Didn’t everyone? Masturbating to magazines or PG13 movies somehow seems more perverted than porn.

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        I think he means children in this case. Like a teenager is literally more than fine looking at the stuff as long as its not some fucked up shit (but that applies to everyone really).

        The thing op misses, is the usecase of parental controls. Children should absolutely be guided around the internet, until they grow up to being teenagers.

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        People who advoc_e beating children also claim that they were beaten and turned out okay. Meanhwile cases of 8 year olds addicted to porn have been already reported.

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          The difference is that masturbation is a completely normal thing that even animals do, let alone people… And one way or another, people seek to enhance that experience.

          And as a former teenager, trust me, it is better that I did it regularly. You do NOT know how horny a teenage boy can get if you’re even considering banning or age gating porn a good idea. Testosterone is a helluva drug.