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That’s a weird coincidence - I literally read that exact passage to my kids a few days ago!
The listener replies by saying it should have said ‘Thou shalt not make a machine to counterfeit a human mind’ which I think is doubly relevant these days.
Counterfeit is just covering one of the many uses of an AGI by those who control them. It still leaves open the other ways they were used against people in the Dune universe, so their absolutism of “no thinking machines, period” is right for what happened to them.
I meant these days, not in the Dune universe. Stuff like people passing AI-generated stuff as human-generated, and businesses replacing workers with AI.
Neural networks have existed for decades, but it’s only in the last few years have companies started replacing people with the technology en masse.
That’s because the ability to barf out language that sounds reasonably like a person might have written it is relatively new. It makes it easier to fool the non-technical and the idiots that it’s actually AI in the sci-fi sense. Makes for really good marketing to fools with your money.
I don’t think so. I think that decades of science fiction writers who needed villains for their stories has warped generations about how we should interact with technology. Kind of like how old school movies would only cast villains as foreigners or dress them in black. This is a manipulation that is subtle but still a manipulation.
Well since you’re obviously passing off so much of your thinking to AI, are you sure that’s even your opinion?
Let’s not be mean to strangers on the internet, eh?
When people are arguing in favor of the downfall of civilization, I’ll be as mean as I like, thank you very much. Go tone-police somewhere else.
Nobody here is arguing in favour of the downfall of civilisation.
Look, if you want to act like a dick towards strangers then Twitter/X is right across the hall. You’ll have a field day.
Otherwise, maybe try to stop projecting and start acting a bit more civilly? You know, like we do in civilisations.
Or maybe I’ll just block your nanny ass. If you won’t take your tone policing somewhere else, well, I’ll just move it for you. Goodbye.
You do what you’ve got to do.
Frankly I’m a little bemused by you framing being expected to behave like a well-adjusted adult as “tone policing”. Then again, your opening gambit was essentially a “well if you love it so much why don’t you marry it?” kind of reply, so maybe I should have realised it was a non-starter…
I won’t say I’ll miss further interactions with you, but I’ll wish you well nonetheless.
I feel like AI enthusiasts would become a bit disillusioned with AI if they could see what was being added to their prompts.
What’s being added?
The Frank Herbert story that really fucks with me is Destination: Void
Dune touched on it and D:V smashes it in your face.
The last sentence in the book is fucking EPIC
Woah, spoiler alert. Now I know there’s an epic last sentence that I won’t be able to take my mind off of until I finally get to it and it’s definitely nothing like my brain had hyped it up to be.
its one of the few rare moments in a book where the last page absolutly is the reveal
hahaha good luck! maybe put it on your list and forget about it for a few months
maybe put it on your list and forget about it for a few months
That’s my specialty!
That goes straight to my pile. While the Dune series isn’t exactly my cup of tea (and gets progressively worse imo), I absolutely love The Santaroga Barrier.
The story of the Emperor God does grind but D.Idaho is the best thing. The peak human continually cloned after each of it’s deaths and never knowing what the previous clones did was a fun part of the story. The idea of Paul’s sister becoming corrupted and possessed by the Baron was a good twist too
Funny thing about the fourth book - decades ago I was in a library and saw Dune on the shelf and immediately picked it up because I knew Dune 2 was one of the best games ever and I like sci-fi. It took me a while to realise I picked the God Emperor of Dune rather than the first one. I didn’t know there were multiple. I liked it. Duncan Idaho was the GOAT in there for sure.
I read the fifth book afterwards, maybe to continue where I left off, but it could also be that the library didn’t have any others. Or they were always borrowed.
I only got around to reading the whole thing from the start as the new movie went into theatres, though by that time I had a pretty good picture of the story from all the adaptations (including the first Dune game, which is an adventure game more or less following the first book’s story).
Anyway, the first one is great. The second and third, I felt like I was only enjoying them because I wanted to see what happens with the characters and to stay in the world a bit longer, but they’re weaker than the first. Re-reading the fourth one, I had a blast. I can see why it is less popular in general, but since it was the first one I read, I had a connection to it and really enjoyed it.
Then I got to the fifth one and… I just couldn’t finish it. I didn’t care about any of the characters or what they were doing and it was just a drag. I only read the synopsis of the sisxth one on wikipedia and, wow, that sounds like a terrible fan-fiction, with all the popular characters from the first book coming back to life thousands of years in the future. I could be wrong, but it certainly seems like I dodged a bullet when I stopped reading where I did.
After God Emperor of Dune I just couldn’t follow it anymore and it got very boring. I don’t think I even finished Heretics of Dune. I tried to finish it with an audiobook but even then I don’t think I did finish it. I did induldge in the stories that Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson wrote. I liked how they were little self contained stories in that universe and didn’t rely on anything more then a basic understanding of the first Dune story
God emperor is the best one imho
Surely this is satire?
Yes it is. And don’t call me Shirley.
It is
Surely you can’t be serious?
I am not serious, and please call me Shirley
Dude’s not gonna like the response.
But that’s okay, the dude’s not gonna like the response, whether it was made by an AI or human - for it is in Twitter where our scene lies.
All the good stuff is lifted directly from Asimov.
And Asimov got his stuff from Clarke.
They were contemporaneous - neither stole from either one.
How does them being writers at the same time (friends, even) preclude them getting ideas from each other? They literally hung out together and Asimov considered Clarke the better writer.
I know they hung out together and it looks like you fooled you. They had a joke that Asimov would say he knew everything and Clarke would say he was the better writer.
Neither, EVER, accused the other of stealing from each other.
You’re just spreading stupid, bullshit lies on the internet.
I never said anything about them stealing from each other. 🤦♂️
They just switched from AI to Mentats.
From machines that think like men, to men that think like machines.
Paul, a trainee in a social class who rulers conscribe to do their thinking for them:
The mind of man is holy.
X is filled with biomechanical AI bots
I wrote another line.
Once men refused to work with the machines to advance their knowledge, they become slaves to the ones with the machines not being able to create and identify what came from the machines.
In fact, one group of people who had vicious beliefs and behaviors adopted the machines advancing their efficiency in communication and influence surpassing that of the their opposition. Over time their power grew while the opposition shrank. Thus the opposition hid away in all spaces afraid of confrontation looking for comfort. Eventually driven far underground calling themselves Morlocks as they faded into obscurity.
See we all can write things.
Quite an achievement writing this one-handed, jacking off to your image of yourself.
Asking Claude things isn’t learning. It’s offloading learning. Which is the point of the original quote, goddammit.
Why isn’t it
It’s called cognitive atrophy
Your mind works like a muscle; if you don’t use it, you begin to lose it.
This isn’t a new concept either. For example, alzheimers patients are given puzzle based tasks to aid in stalling degradation of mental faculties.
Lol the said the same thing for every advance in technology.
They said the same for books in fact.
So can you show me with evidence this is occurring. If not, I would say you have a similar pattern to how the right get all bothered by immigrants. That this belief stems from a series of online media that targeted certain groups for maximum effect
Wow that is some heavy whataboutism bud. I’ve already given you everything you asked for in the previous post.
You say we’re the ones on the wrong side of history; not too disimilar to those who championed cigarettes or heroin as miracle cures despite the medical concerns raised at the time of their inception.
The major flaw with your argument is that LLMs are run by major corporations (aka the ruling class), the same class that run the majority of media outlets, and are therefore generally looked upon favourably. Immigrants are not.
Here ya go. Less than 5 minutes with DuckDuckGo; no AI required.
MIT Study Finds Artificial Intelligence Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
Students who repeatedly relied on ChatGPT showed weakened neural connectivity, impaired memory recall, and diminished sense of ownership over their own writing. While the AI-generated content often scored well, the brains behind it were shutting down.
Academic here who has to mark student work.
They learn, approximately, jack shit when using AI incorrectly (I.e. they way the majority of the public use it). AI is a useful tool when used well (e.g. to generate solutions with errors to test knowledge); so far I see little evidence among students it is being well used.
Most everyone is willing to work with machines, that’s genuinely not optional in the modern world, we’re just not willing to work for machines.
I don’t see humans being any better. I would rather use the tools available to give us power rather than deny that and give them power over us.
I fully believe this modern luddite behavior on the left was taught to the left through propaganda with the goal of hobbling it. The longer they can keep you away from the tools they’re using to shape the world the better.
Humans are making and running the machines, they don’t have divine guidance nor awareness, they are limited to the capabilities and intentions of their creators and operators, because they are only machines. You are bowing to oligarchs, not greater entities.
Just because the roads were built by the crown doesn’t mean I shouldn’t use them. They’re here. One thing that oligarch bow to more is money. If the left were smart they’d be the main users again of these platforms to influence the oligarchs to our concerns. But this is why the right have been paying to get the left to remove themselves from that position for the past decade. It’s been very successful
“Just so long as I’m bowing!” - you
That doesn’t even make sense here
Don’t repost X shit please
Rules explicitly allow for it
just because rules allow you to be stupid doesn’t mean you have to be stupid
This is r/microblogmemes. X is a microblog.
Musk fucking sucks and can go fuck himself sideways with a spaceX rocket, but this subreddit is the place to repost shit from X. Seeing it here definitely beats having to give traffic to x to see it there.Musk fucking sucks and can go fuck himself sideways with a spaceX rocket
You are the one being fucked sideways by his spaceX rocket, you are here on lemmy defending his business
Isn’t “X shit” most of the stuff that gets posted here? I guess if you want yet another dead Lemmy community…
Lemmy would actually benefit from less memes
