I was looking into the Alan Turing and his Turing test as he proposed and reading some books. I feel skeptical regarding the fact that we have even reached at the level of Artificial Intelligence. It feels like we have not created a Turing machine yet.

  • red_tomato@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    The idea with Turing machine is that anything a Turing machine can do, a computer can also do. It is a mathematical construct representing a computer. He used it to prove that some problems can’t be solved with computation alone (halting problem is one of these), thus proving there’s fundamental limitations to computing.

    Turing test is mostly an interesting thought experiment. Don’t read too much into it.

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      8 days ago

      well I am a computer science student and AI is quite trending subsection of CS so I wanna be really educated so that I don’t get fooled by tech bros

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    The comments in here are confusing. To state it plainly:

    Turing machines have nothing to do with the Turing test. They’re two completely different things/concepts, just named after the same guy.

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    The Turing test is more showing how well a program can convince a person they are human. Clearly the past few years has shown that people can be easily fooled in many ways. The test was never meant as an indication of intelligence behind the messages, only whether or not they were good simulations of human discussion. The 2025 version of ChatGPT rated 73% on such tests, and I imagine it and other LLMs might do even better now with the extra tools they use to help context and memory. They still aren’t “thinking”. They’re doing something though, and the usual “just a complex autocomplete” dismissal isn’t recognizing that.

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      8 days ago

      I heard that the current version of Turing test is not what Alan Turing himself proposed originally.

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        a turing machine is a theoretical device that can perform any computation. a language model is a set of matrix multiplications that takes a list of words and gives back the statistically most likely next word.

        your question is like asking if novels have become language.

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            sorry i should have expanded on that:

            turing machines are conceptual, like language. they are a theoretical means to formalise and generalise an idea (meaningful computation/communication).

            language models are real, like novels. they are one possible use of the concept (word prediction/telling a story).

            a novel is a specific implementation of some parts of the idea of language, like a language model is a specific implementation of some parts of the idea of computation embodied by the turing machine concept.

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    The Turing Test is somewhat incomplete and outdated, created in years when AI was still more theoretical than real (1950). Current AIs can perfectly pass this test, so other tests are used that better fit current technology, even so the results remain debatable.