• NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
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      The same thing is happening/has already happened in China, the government there can find you and black bag you anywhere at any time. Ask Naomi Wu.

      Russia basically is this already.

      Europe is also trying to go there with the repeated attempts to pass chat control and age restrictions on internet access.

      In the US, capitalism is the tool the authoritarians are using to accomplish their goals, and it is absolutely enabling the spread of the surveillance state. Capitalism itself is not the motivation for the surveillance state, it’s just being used by the authoritarians. If we’re going to put a stop to this kind of behavior, we have to get the targets right. Flock and the other companies like them are a symptom of the larger problem.

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        Ask Naomi Wu.

        To my knowledge, Naomi Wu was never “black bagged”. She’s still selling stuff on cybernightmarket. She’s just done posting politics.

        But to compare the grief Wu got (and, from what I read forever ago, it was as much other terminally online types screaming at her as any state intervention) with Leqaa Kordia or Mahmoud Khalil both of whom absolutely were “black bagged” in the literal sense? Wu was not indefinitely detained in a prison camp or threatened with torture unless she “voluntarily self-deported”, at least as far as I could find.

        Russia basically is this already.

        Russia is so much more, as they’ve weaponized their prison population into military conscripts.

        Really not looking forward to the day I’m arrested by an ICE agent who is, himself, wearing a bomb collar.

        Capitalism itself is not the motivation for the surveillance state

        The surveillance state is a vital tool of private industry when executives fear a proletariat insurrection. It is a necessary precondition to prevent insurrection.

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          To my knowledge, Naomi Wu was never “black bagged”. She’s still selling stuff on cybernightmarket. She’s just done posting politics.

          She disappeared from western social media, where she was very active before. Her latest post on twitter was chilling, I just hope she and her partner are ok.

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            Wu said. “- absolutely no one gives a shit. I could be dead in a ditch- but we aren’t actually people, we’re just signs for people like you in the West to wave at each other in their ideological war.”

            :-/

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          Russia is so much more, as they’ve weaponized their prison population into military conscripts.

          It’s even more than that. Russia has weaponized their entire civilian population. It’s straight up nazi-level shit where you’re either Z or you’re a traitor. This is what American maga salivates about - complete and utter obedience through surveillance, legal and cultural bullying.