Fight?!?! Jeez what a violent extremist
Yikes, people are clearly having difficulty detecting the obvious sarcasm in this comment
I mean, its my own fault for posting like this here on the autism social media
There are also a lot of non-native English speakers here. English is a tricky enough language when used sincerely, then add to that the fact that we English natives are huge fans of sarcasm, and I’m surprised misunderstandings don’t happen more often. (I had major culture shock moving to Japan and finding out sarcasm was not really a thing there. I always assumed it was part of the human condition.)
Japanese people can be just as sarcastic as English speakers. It flies over your head unless you’re actually good at the language. Same as English.
I should have said they have their own type of sarcasm but it’s different; you wouldn’t, for instance, respond to a simple question with the obvious opposite of the truth (e.g. “I just love the cold” when asked if you like winter).
Oh, yeah, I’m a HUUUUGE fan of sarcasm.
You need more interrobangs and 1s. Then they’ll know its not serious.
Idk that Jimmy guy was having a whole convo with himself
That person is an eccentric red scare loon, the only thing they talk about is how anyone left of center is a commie. They appear to have no other thought in their mind.
Ah, Russian troll
So accurate lol
You’d think people would be able to put the /s in by themselves…
I come from a time before the /s and I refuse to adopt it
Ah, I see you too are from the before times.
I was born yesterday
Keep inhaling them vegetables me son.
Oh that’s just like the DNC. They never fight. Just look at the North Carolina dnc. Tim Moore is up for reelection and the woman they have put up against him they have done absolutely nothing to get her message out or their message out or any message out. I have only seen one little tiny sign at the Democratic headquarters and then a big ass Roy Cooper sign. They have no fight in them at all. And their whole mantra is vote blue no matter who what choice do I have not vote?
Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it. It will never work if it only siphons votes out of the dem bucket and lets republicans to kind of win by default. It has to have real momentum, real commitments, have visibility and voice across the states, so everyone will know they will not be just giving the republicans the win, rather, committing together as a big one, to something better. Even better if the various ideologically motivated but distinct camps within republicans would join the effort. Libertarians are the classic example, but I bet if things get momentum and it looks like the two parties are simply getting fractured either way, a lot of people will jump on the chance to get actual real representation and voice, not just a small camp within a big ambiguous mess the two parties kind of force.
So instead of just voting for a third option and wasting your vote in the current system, organizing would be the real answer, the prerequisite for the third options to be valid. And it’s not that complicated, just needs to get viral and real commitments
I think we just need to put up everyday, regular workers who refuse PAC money and operate ethically, as well as presenting a socialist platform. That would overcome a lot of disillusionment with left voters and even poor MAGA, who were betrayed by the neoliberal establishment; who thought Trump would bring socialist elements and advocate for them. I think this would build enough broad support to win.
People are broadly tired of political corruption and capitalist exploitation; they’ve just been brainwashed by the Epstein class to blame socialism.
Also, we need to arm up for the plan B. The SRA is one organizational resource.
And practice with your weapons. Fancy guns will not make you better unless you’re already decent to begin with. I recommend CZ, good guns, not too expensive.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away. Until then, you just get the center-right using the far-right boogeyman.
We have a viable third party here in Canada but people’s main excuse “they’ll never win”. Like, no shit, you keep saying you like their platform so fucking DO something about it!
The dumbest thing for the US specifically is that there IS a movement forming. Progressives are winning primaries, Mamdani is fixing NYC in record time and pulling no punches, and people are getting excited about it even in other countries. It’s all there, and if you vote against that what the fuck do you think is going to happen? If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away
Tell us you didn’t read what you’re replying to without telling us.
Literally jusy start with the first sentence, dude. It’s ok, take your time, but maybe next time don’t come at me with your raging first grade reading level(is it even that? Their comment was pretty clear).
Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it.
This? You seem to be using voting and support interchangeably? There is a heck of a lot more you can do to support a movement than waiting around until voting day.
I am, because that is how it works. I’m from Canada, one party is progressive, then we have two other parties which amount to northern copies of the DNC and GOP. We have other small ones. People’s main excuse for not voting for the progressive party is “they can’t win” and we refer to their seats in parliament to show that because we’re largely cowards.
People have a hard time seeing what “support” is, but everyone can see the spread of MPs(member of congress, essentially) and they make choices based on that. People will look me in my real face and say “I wanted to vote NDP but I neeeeeeded to vote against the Conservatives” and now our forests are on fire and our Prime Minister is sucking Trump’s dick, fighting our unions, and handing over taxpayer money to oil and gas companies or real-estate developers(don’t worry, they’re not doing anything to ease the cost of living).
If you do not vote for something then you are voting against it. Maybe you’re ok with that, maybe you deem it worth it, but you need to accept that reality and what it shows everyone else.
Ah, operating how you wish the system works (and how it could work with modest reform) instead of how it actually works. Skipping steps always turns out great!
Nothing wrong with voting third party. If you want votes then court the non-voters.
Ppl don’t want to win, they want someone else to win for them, which is how we got in this mess in the first place. American Democracy, in practice, encourages the notion that someone else will work on your interests, on your behalf, without requiring sustained effort on your part. We let elected official operate largely in secret and with zero oversite from those they represent, for 4 years.
Until the electorate is able and willing to sustain oversite over the actions of their elected officials, with the tools necessary to step in and influence or remove their representatives, if needed, then there is no power outside voting every 4 years.
Agreed, freedom aint free. I truly believe this, even if I get down voted every single time I say it.
Yeah, it ain’t, and the people are willing and able to pay for it, get to direct it.
You can replace “American Democracy” with “Electoralism”.
The electorate will always be at the whim of those in power under this type of system because that is the fundamental nature of hierarchy.
Countdown to the DOJ declaring his words a “legitimate islamic terrorist threat” in 3 – 2 – 1–
As opposed to fighting and never winning, which is what I’ve been doing for decades.
We won’t win without organization. With that we need some white populist candidates. Wtf is wrong that we have 0 white populist left candidates?
Seriously, something is wrong.
What’s wrong is the dnc would rather fight the left than the GOP.
“For far too long, our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people." - Mamdani
You know it.
Sorry, I would help you out there but I was banned from r/democrats for saying Biden shouldn’t run for re-election and was spoken to like a child and made persona non grata at my local democratic party meeting for saying we should actually get people on the ballot in every race. Granted, the later was over a decade ago so maybe some non-asshole non-idiots have started to show up.
willing to fight
Willing to LIE
Unless you’re Gen Z or Millennial, in which case you eat crayons and shove your thumb up your ass because you don’t wanna take a few hours off of work to go vote against the 4th Reich.
We won’t have victory until the younger voter demographic finally usurps the fossils who actually show up to the polls.
I agree with the sentiment that voting is very important, so it’s vital to come up with ways increase voter turnout. In an ideal society, everyone would make informed voting decisions, but we don’t live in that world. We’ve seen from recent races that people are coming out in droves to vote for candidates with progressive policies with primary races having higher turnout than even general presidential elections. The key takeaway from this summer seems to be that progressive policies fuel voter turnout, especially amongst younger voters, so the Democratic Party should lean further in that direction.
No need to disparage them, people have show up to vote since ww1
I don’t eat crayons!
