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ITT: People complaining about how this phone is 100% perfect and what they want. Instead of moving towards heaven, we might as well remain in hell until heaven is directly attainable. It’s a good start and the more money that gets thrown this way, the more others will follow. But by all means, don’t support this endeavor, let’s stay in our Apple/Samsung/Google versions of hell instead.
Is my fairphone 5 the perfect device? No, I guess.
Did I get to buy a new USB-C port for my nearly 3 year old phone after destroying the old one by dropping it in a full sink of dirty water and replace it in 5 minutes without soldering or phone repair knowledge? Hell yes!
A friend of mine just bought a new battery for his 6-7 year old FP3 and can keep using it.
If Fairphone can do modularity of that kind, imagine what big players Apple or Samsung would be able to achieve if they cared at all. Imagine GrapheneOS would not publicly shit on Fairphone for their flaws but instead reach out a hand and ask for collaboration to try and make their next phone compatible.
Oh well, hell is fine too, I guess.
GrapheneOS’s toxic leadership have crab mentality. Oh and a victimhood complex.
No not really. Their project is aimed at providing the highest level of security and privacy. They can’t help that Fairphone’s hardware does not adhere to their hardware requirements in order to attain that security and privacy.
GrapheneOS’s goal is not to deliver the most broad amount of support for as many phones as possible, its goal is to obtain the highest levels of security. For broad support there is /e/os for instance.
They choose to roast small hardware manufacturers for their hardware/firmware security deficits and burn bridges instead of being constructive and offering collaboration once their security requirements are met by future phones.
They could voice their legitimate concerns without being such total dicks about it.
That is what turned me off choosing Graphene, other than having to buy Google hardware. They, but also some other Foss people, are investing way too much time attacking other alternatives fiercely, as if they were created by the devil, because they are not pure enough or because they are less secure than Graphene.
@Jiral @DannyMac jasnt #grapheneos a partnership with #motorola ? When first devices?
There is no concrete timeline yet as far as I know. So your guess is as good as mine. Bottom line if you want to use GrapheneOS now or in the near future you have to buy Google hardware which is a nogo for me, even if you rip out the OS.
I only buy second hand hardware these days, but I get you
No not really. People keep asking them why they dont support certain hardware, and they need to keep explaining why they dont support the hardware. They don’t go out of their way to demonize those projects. Their project is aimed at providing the highest level of security and privacy. They can’t help that Fairphone’s hardware does not adhere to their hardware requirements in order to attain that security and privacy.
GrapheneOS’s goal is not to deliver the most broad amount of support for as many phones as possible, its goal is to obtain the highest levels of security. For broad support there is /e/os for instance. On the other hand, /e/os is not the most secure OS. Those are just the facts. Every OS has its own use cases.
Except that this is exactly what at least one of the leading developers is doing by harassing threads that are about other projects, with all sorts of loaded language, insinuations of nasty motives, Russian influence and what not.
All of that does nothing to achieve GrapheneOS’ goals.
I have no issue at all with GrapheneOS stating that FP6 is not an option because this hardware feature is missing or that firmware update routine being insufficient. That is not what I am talking about here.
But it’s also unfair to blame customers for not supporting something financially when it would be easy to improve from the criticism. If fairphone wanted to sell more they would address the feedback from GrapheneOS instead of hiding behind the startup label, but instead we get this zombie development where the product is held up by partnership decisions that are holding them back, and any criticism to help improve their standing is shot down.
It still sucks for security. If you own this phone you should consider that the authorities and pretty much anyone who really wants to can get into your phone at will. I wish they could meet Graphene’s hardware requirements.
This
My dream phone is made by Fairphone, runs Graphene and has pin-board power switches like the Pinephone (its got good ideas, but its running a 2013 chipset, its a dev device for making linux mobile work better)
… Wishful thinking.
Samsung hardware
Fairphone sustainability / repairability
Pixel / GrapheneOS privacy
Chinese prices
Dream phone of mine.
You probably aren’t safe from Pegasus but at least you are not streaming your location and IRL contacts to Google 24/7.
Look, at least this way I don’t have to worry about all the software back doors phoning home.
I just don’t take the phone out with me when I think I’m going to be arrested or something.
Can they get in remotely? I would love to read more about it if you sit on some sources since I am just a novice.
Edit: Saw the comment about updates now.
(If I recall there was a reply from some devs about that update claim, and I got my impression changed after e/OS presnted some statistics.)
I think I found the reply to the accusation:
https://community.e.foundation/t/e-os-and-security-updates/72384
If this thing ran grapheneos I’d get rid of my pixel tomorrow
It can run EndeavorOS, which is deGoogle’d. Not quite as private and secure, but it’s better than stock Android.
There’s also a user on here who’s been working to make Linux drivers for the FP6 as well, and they’re making good progress
Wait … EndeavourOS? That’s arch linux, a PC operating system. Did you confuse something?
Tbh, I thought /e/OS was EndeavorOS.
Why the fuck did they decide to call their OS something unpronounceable? I’m mad now
It can also run LineageOS, iodéOS and /e/ OS at least, so there are a few options for a degoogled OS with this phone.
I thought we would see more custom Roms honestly. CalyxOS shows upcoming but still seems to be unavailable. What really concerns me about fairphone is their delay in Software updates. The FP6 releases June of last year, the same month as Android 16. It took them until March of '26 to release Android 16 for the FP6. That is quite a large gap. Software support is as important as hardware support and unfortunately not a single manufacturer seems to nail them both.
And like that, I have a new path for a phone. Thanks, friend.
Only if…
Fairphone 6 might be the worst phone I’ve ever owned. I bought one hoping it’d last me 6 years and it barely last 6 months. The software is so buggy it’s embarrassing.
I am now 6 months in, I do not share that experience at all.
Same question for you then: what OS?
Standard Android. I have a kid running a 5 with e os.
It’s a greenwashing phone. Might as well buy a normal phone and donate to charity.
Yes, that is a very common fun fact about these particular phones. It is also the case that it is one of the only mass production phones that has support for “deGoogled” Android OS’s, and therefore is unfortunately a contender for those of us who look for that. Pixels are unfortunately also the best option still.
Is that on their version of Android or e/OS? This is the exact thing that has kept me from even coming close to purchasing one of these without handling one first.
That’s with Fairphone’s own OS. I stuck it out until the Android 16 update but that introduced a load more bugs so I swapped it for a Pixel 10a.
I also tried iodéOS which was a slight improvement but still pretty buggy.
(The company is also teasing its next-generation Fairbuds 2 wireless earbuds, launching later this year, which it says set “a new bar for repairability and performance.”)
I wish they could figure out a type of earbuds that wouldn’t require batteries. Sadly, it seems that technology is either unachievable or lost to time.
I see many people complaining about phones not having an audio jack anymore. But really I don’t think it would make that much sense add one to the phone. The only thing I could see is to make the usb c modular like framework did.
One good-ish reason is that In A Certain country the Bluetooth connections are monitored by Flock cameras and all, so you will be identified if you have Bluetooth headphones on in a public place. And that’s likely to spread other places too eventually…
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isnt broadcast done only manually? I.e. when you begin pairing? I guess it depends on device.
Yes however you can still see the signal and probably identify the mac address or something.
Bluetooth is not secure.
This is a phenomenon that is easy to demonstrate with monitor apps for airtags, pervert glasses, and even Tesla automobiles (yes, they constantly send out a Bluetooth signal your phone can pick up).
Does Flock have any technology to read radio waves coming from wires, or is that not a thing?
Mh true. An usb c Adapter with aux and usbc inside of the case of the phone would be cool I think. Then you can easily add it to the phone where most people won’t need it. And you don’t have to redesign the whole phone for the audio jack
Maybe, that sounds good imo. But those adapters break easily, so either it should be very good adapter or easily swapped design.
“I don’t care about this, so fuck everyone else”
Nice attitude dude.
That is not what I meant.
I don’t see the reason to add it back for a few people. While most don’t ever will need it
Why do you think “most” bought bluetooth earbuds in the first place? What’s the source for your data regarding how many people want the jack back? Also, not sure where you live but in the EU it’s very common to see people wearing wired earbuds/headphones.
Again, you’re defending corporations taking away options from consumers while also (presumably) being a consumer yourself. Adding the jack would not make the phones more expensive and would also not take away any of the features you want. Why would anyone in their right mind be against this? What a joke.
Do wired usb-c headphones not exist? Don’t get me wrong, I hate that everyone has dropped the jack and buds can fuck right off, but they’re just advertising those buds as an adjacent product, they’re not locking anyone in.
So a lot of people are pissed because they launched their fair buds immediately after removing the headset jack from their phones. Seems more profit motivated than sustainable motivated.
The big problem for me is that there is only one port, so you can ether listen to something, or, charge the phone, not both. Just having two ports would solve this.
Also, not something I really care about but a lot of people do, the headphone jack is an analog output, where as the USB-C is a digital output, and you need an analog signal to run a speaker. So they need to have their own DACs (Digital-Analog converter), and many of the USB-C headphones have poor quality DACs that loose detail. Used to be the DAC was just in the phone, and was generally of good quality.
Do you have evidence for the Apple USB-C DAC, that is about 10€, losing details over commonly built-in DAC with in ear monitors? That is not my experience nor have I found any reviews reporring that.
Depending on the headphone you want to use, that dongle is insufficient. My kiwi ears astrals sound worse with it and the koss ksc75 are rather quiet. This is with the EU version of the dongle, which has half the power of the US version.
It’s also another damn thing you need to carry around and that can break. There’s no reason not to include a headphone jack. Stop defending greedy design decisions that actively screw you over, it makes you look quite dumb.
I have yet see the need to use iems with excessive power requirements where they end up “rather quiet”, my Kiwi dongle DAC can blow my ears out if I were to long for it. If you do have a need for that, just upgrade the DAC to your extraordinarily high power reqirements. Lighter sized DACs pack a much stronger punch and can facilitate your early deafness if that is your preference. USB-C gives you that flexibility. All of those solutions are perfectly portable, you also don’t need to carry a separate part, just keep it connected.
I am not defending a"greedy decision", the only downside for most people is a bit more wear on the USB-C port and that is a minor issue given how reasonably priced the replacement part is and how easy it is to install.
The ksc75 is not an IEM. You’re also mentioning a completely different (and more expensive) dongle than the one in the comment I reolied to.
And no, more wear on the usb-c port is not the only downside. In some places (e.g. where I live), you simply can’t buy most dongles. I always have to travel or import stuff. You also have one more thing that you need to buy, carry around and that can break.
Stop being a corpo simp. Makes you look dumb.
The kiwi dongle is pretty much the same price as the apple dongle, about 10 EUR. More powerful DACs in the lighter format are more expensive but they are also more powerful than what you’d usually find in a phone with headphone jack.
Yes, the ksc75 is not an IEM, I had to look it up. I was only talking about IEMs before.
In the age of the internet buying DACs is a non issue.
@megopie technically you can buy an adapter that has two connectors, one for charging and one more, either a headphone jack or one more USB. But I agree with the sentiment, a second built in port would be neat.
“SPEND MORE, BUY MORE”
Yeah, no thanks. I’d rather just have a headphone jack. This is a problem that has been solved for quite a while.
I’ve tried a few of those, I always get a buzzing or it gets weirdly hot, one just blew out my headphones. So I don’t really trust them at this point.
Yes they do.
Surprised to see that the 6+ with its 12gb of ram has lower price per gig of ram than the regular old 6. Guess I’ll upgrade my pixel 7 to the 6+
Fairphones seem okay from a hardware POV but the software is a bit lacking in terms of security and support.
See I keep reading this, especially here on Lemmy but since owning one, I’ve had more frequent updates than I think any phone I’ve previously owned, and definitely more than family who go with bigger brands.
I don’t know why they have this reputation, perhaps it was true in the past
This comes from the people who run GrapheneOS e.g. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private. Maybe they’re opinionated for some reason that extends beyond the hardware/software.
I AM BUYING IT NOWWWW!!! LESSSS GOOOO!
Honestly, the only thing that stopped me from going them this time around was the ip55 rating. I do too much stuff that involves my phone getting wet. So, realistically, I can’t look at anything that has less than IP68 because I need that full immersion rating. The quest for repairability doesn’t need to compromise that, you can have an IP68 rating with a battery that is removable by screws. The Samsung X-Cover Pro proved that. It’s just not financially incentivized for consumer devices, which is why you normally only find it for dedicated corporate device lines
The peasants in the USA will learn what a repairable phone is!
This is perfect - my wife and I have both been limping along on old falling-apart phones, and have been looking for something new that doesn’t make us feel gross for supporting a major company, and isn’t overloaded with so many nearly-useless features. Decided to take the de-google plunge at the same time, and grabbed the eos ones!
Excellent! Hoping for Jolla someday too!
It feels somehow wrong to do in U.S.A, I feel like it’s meant to be like a hellscape at this point, and a Fairphone is like water in hell.
Fairphones have very late security updates and many decisions are made by a Chinese ODM so keep those in mind if you buy one.
Android 💀💀
It can’t even compete with USA devices. The Dutch gimped it. I guess we shouldn’t expect the Dutch to engineer something nice.
YAAAAAY
