“It used to be that people would get rich enough to affect their own nation… .” When? Where? There has never been a world where borders are a real thing that insulates one state from another (I assume you mean state, “nation” as the imaginary common identity makes even less sense). This is not a matter of a few individuals making this system function poorly, the purpose of this system is to generate wealth for a privileged few.

European imperialism/settler-colonialism and the capitalism that emerged through it has always functioned this way. It was funded by individuals with systemic privilege that afforded exceptional wealth and was realized through the exploitation of poor Europeans disadvantaged in those societies and the genocide of indigenous peoples all over the world.Thousands and thousands of nations were targeted for genocide by people who would never even step foot on the same continent as them. Wealth concentration may have improved the conditions for settlers in some places, but that wasn’t for the betterment of the state or nation or whatever you have imagined here. Workers and farmers with relatively high material security and wealth were allowed that level of power because it maintained a racialized and gendered hierarchy that was necessary to effectively carry out the violent extraction of wealth for the most privileged in society. That was in no way universal; there hasn’t been centuries of civil recognition and labour rights movements because most people flourished under this system.

There was no break in how this society was organised that allowed these exceptionally naughty billionaires to exist, that amount of wealth concentration is not new and is only possible through a system that devalues life.

I wonder if anyone else has made the observation that a global revolution is necessary to prevent capitalism from killing as much as it desires… 🤔

Honestly, whatever you go with, you should make sure it has KDE plasma, it has a graphical interface that more closely resembles Windows and can function as training wheels until you better familiarize yourseld with the terminal. If you’re looking at Ubuntu, just be aware that you will likely find it irritating once you start understanding how the system works as it forces its own package manager, snap, which introduces a slew of difficulties in acclamaiting to the Linux ecosystem. However, snap does make installation easier for newcomers who may not understand how to identify dependencies for a given package they wish to install. With all of this in mind, Kubuntu is a really good option for first-timers as its a flavour of Ubuntu that comes with KDE Plasma out of the box.

My god, three of you who won’t read. I’m just going to block you after this because this is getting silly.

Yes, I said that at least five times throughout this thread. My exact criticism is that liberals subscribe to fatalist narratives because they cannot or will not imagine an alternative to this society. Nowhere anywhere in this thread did I suggest climate change is not destructive.

The amount of you who cannot seperate these ideas is itself proof of what my comment argues. It is literally incomprehensible to you to accept climate change’s existence as well as the reality of living in a world that will be changed because of it. Fatalist narratives appropriate scientific evidence in the service of reproducing the social conditions that have facilitated climate change.

A world less livable is one worth living in, but to those of you who would rather die than change, there is no such thing as a less livable world, just the destruction of this one.

Fuck’s sake with the liberals on this site. Fucking develop some humility before you assume you know everything.

Very in-character comment, well done.

Just takes a few people to get it started.

Jesus how dramatic. Please explain liberalism for me so that I know what I’ve gotten wrong here.

edit: checked their profile, they think liberalism is “leftist.” Politically illiterate liberal gets mad at the read. Blocked.

American liberals would sooner say that the nation is impure than that nationalism is pathological. Many of them literally identify with the state as part of or representative of themselves. Guilt and shame are American rationalisation staples, “I feel bad, but I’m not going to stop.”

Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don’t even bother to read.

Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying “all life will end” or even “all human life will end,” is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it’s too late and even if it isn’t it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.

Nowhere did I say people won’t die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.

Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.

I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don’t, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn’t want life to change.

Grow up and help. I won’t read a response as it’s obvious you didn’t grant me that level of respect.

Bazzite’s been working pretty good for me. Was honestly easier to set up too, and fights me less, and runs smoother, and also doesn’t spy on me.

Beyond the cynical liberalism and fascism here, what the fuck did quetzalcoatlus northropi do to earn your disdain? Isnt any life worth its own end?

Imagine paying for Netflix.

I actually had to read all of that because I cannoy believe someone is this intentionally misunderstanding. You seriously have to actually read about the shit you talk about because your usable knowledge is obviously very slim despite your confidence.

You are fighting people who are not in this comment thread. Not only did I never say capitalists (no, not “oligarchs” like this is about individuals and not a system) should not be killed, I asked you to actually think about why youre making this incomprehensible assumption in the context of my comments. What do you think I mean when I say capitalism is both fragile and an immediate threat? Slave morality? You’re not even talking about anything at that point; it’s so contained to your own misunderstanding of what has been said here.

It is incredible to hear someone so dedicated to the settler way of life call me a lib. Blocked.

My brother in Christ, you people are talking about capitalism as though it were a god. Have none of you seriously thought about like, doing something even when the world is less livable? Do you think everyone will just lay down and die because the world isn’t as nice as it is today?

This is not “wishful.” This is fucking reality. Right this moment, you are working on a fantasy that is only appealing to settlers who would rather die than live in a world they are not comfortable in.

So fucking tired of liberals here insisting that people should die because they only pretend to want to give up this way of life.

No, Capitalism will not make the Earth uninhabitable. It will kill very many things the longer it is part of our world, but you are subscribing to a liberal fatalist narrative that constructs the future as definitively destroyed because it does not resemble the world we live in. It’s doomer shit that is painfully white.

How you got, “we don’t need to end capitalism” I have no responsibility for. If I say it isnt infinitely powerful but must end as quickly as possible, what exactly do you think I’m advocating for?

Joke’s clear, it just only makes sense if you’re privileged.

Lovely, romanticizing gendered labour. You guys know poor people have always been around, right?

“Now.” Ironic.

I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It’s worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.

You’ve assumed that I’m in a tech knowledge bubble. I use Linux for work, but I am not in the tech field even remotely. Even though I have some professional training and a hobby interest, which prepared me better, I had to use textbooks and online forums to learn how to use my Linux desktop comfortably. I regularly deal with students and am therefore very familiar with low tech-literacy, let alone others in my own life that I have helped. I know there is a skill barrier for entry into Linux.

What I am much better equipped to handle is broad social and economic developments historically, with a particular concern for capitalist erosion of community wellbeing and mutual aid. As I have said, I do not doubt there is value for consumers in this service and I do not doubt that this service appears to be reasonably priced to those consumers. My concern regards the potential attraction that such profitability could generate and that same tech-illiteracy would make users more easily coerced into capitalization. Those conditions are exactly why there is a social as well as skill barrier of entry into Linux. As you said, many consumers have been primed to accept convenience over skill-building, which in turn makes them less capable of choosing when something is not worth the price and abandoning a convenient user experience.

Again, it is good that more people try to make this switch – Microsoft’s near monopoly is undeniably a social detriment – but we do not benefit from suspending criticism of how this switch happens just because we are happy it is happening.

I think it is very purposeful that Zorin has expansive marketing and frames features in terms of price value.