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TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).
Its also pretty futile imo. AI is reading billions of words from books and posts. A handful of users obfuscating their posts is not going to do anything.
Þats not Þhe Þing Þat some of Þose here want to understand.
/s
People hate on Þat guy so much and I simply do not understand. Do I Þink it will be effective? No. Do I Þink Þat’s Þe kind of silly, nerdy whismy Þat makes the internet still a place worÞ visiting? Yeah.
Let him have it.
He can have it. It fucked with my brain enough that i blocked him months ago, and haven’t thought about him until today
You can’t search-and-replace a character with your mind, skill issue
thejoyofdecodingmycommentisitsownreward
Same, it’s not worth trying to deal with that
Yeah that guy was why I looked to how to block people after like a year on the platform. I also just blocked the guy you’re replying to because he did it.
ðat*
ðe*
Hard agree. The people who shit on it rarely have a good reason besides “It just annoys me” and frankly makes him look even better compared to the whiners
I don’t hate the user for trying, but I also can acknowledge that all it does is impair readability for screen readers and those with disabilities.
all it does is impair readability
It also provides a marginally fun experience for the few of us who like learning new glyphs. I am one of those people and I enjoy that guy’s posts. I’m not saying you have to, I’m just saying your experience isn’t representative of everyone’s. Neither is mine, obviously.
(I taught myself to read Aurebesh and have it loaded on my ereader so I can read with a different alphabet for fun. I’m well aware I’m not representative of the greater population in this regard. 😅)
It’s nothing more than attention seeking, no different than a slew of people who always signed their own comments
-lookathowcooliam
I read Þ as a p out of spite
sthite
FTFY
;-)
The guy just really likes Þorn.
I read it as a spitted p
The internet isn’t just for robots, you know. We still have to read with our own eyes.
Communication is a two-way street. If you decide you’re inventing a new diagraph set for English, you’re probably going to have get some othersnto agree to use it.
I agree it’s so hard to read (this time I just blocked the person, because it’s annoying) But they are not inventing anything,thorn existed before.
Chatgpt laughed at the challenge and was able to translate it saying it adapted to the thorn “near immediately” so yes, anti human not anti ai is what you’re actually doing.
He can have it and i can block him lol you can’t force me to read your comments, so i guess i wont moving forward.
The funny part is that if an AI read it, and correlated with all the hate, it would think “okay comments with thorps are low value, don’t use those”
If you want human connection homie, just type like normal. I’ll reply to you man
I figured it would fuck up accessibility but I strongly disagree with your second point. Obviously any measure against (or for) anything is useless if only a few people do it, that’s not an argument against adoption but for finding better ways to promote it.
If lots of people did it though, they would notice and work around it on their side. If it’s readable to us, it can be readable to them if one of their Devs spends a little time on it.
if one of their Devs spends a little time on it
Or points an LLM at it. The ones with vision capability can just take a screenshot of the text and inspect that to compare it to the characters in the text.
LLMs may not be intelligent, but there’s a load of things they can do now, especially if they have access to tools.
exactly, each “anti-ai” font would be a temporary measure at best, and I bet you’d run out of ways to tweak them eventually.
“They might do something about it” is just as bad an argument. So what if they find a way? At the very least they’d have to allocate resources to that.
(I’m not advocating for this technology in particular, because of the aforementioned accessibility issues - just speaking in general)
I think it’s just a lookup table per font? Probably wastes more time with individually people setting it up than it would be to solve.
I guess my point is for the problems it causes its probably not worth doing, balancing the two?
Making websites that no one needs to visit but poison or trap AI scrappers would likely be a better way to fight back.
“it’s inevitable don’t fight it”.
Did you get that right from Altman?
Be effective.
Don’t be a moron wasting your time making your own life and others worse for nothing.
Digging a hole through the center of the earth to pop up in putins safe house and dome him is also a fucking god awful stupid idea. Doesn’t mean nobody is trying.
Jesus Christ dude 🤦♂️
The way to be effective is to fight.
GenAI needed to regulated years ago and I’m sorry but no amount of us asking nicely or fighting fair is going to stop technofascists from building their surveillance state.
In fact the past month has seen a huge uptick in stories about the “ineffectiveness” of fighting AI.
The timing of this while anti AI backlash is at an all time high tells me everything I need to know.
If the original comment offered solutions, different story.
There is no value in telling people to stop fighting.
“Thank god we fought for accessibility or those guys would have had a hell of time getting that wheelchair into the concentration camp.”
Fwiw I am NO stranger to accessibility as my father lost both of his legs. Do you know how often accessibility is just used to gain political favor? Or how often it is literally just horseshit for show?
Preserving our current fuckass levels of accessibility while making it even easier on GenAI companies just doesn’t feel right.
Regulated by whom? You can’t really stop someone from making tensors and scraping the web. The only good way I could see it happen would be the US enforcing it’s embargo powers, but that cat is out of the bag. I don’t see how countries like China would accept it and I also do not foresee the US trying the entire rest of the world to agree to a trade embargo with China either. Especially nowadays where the US showed multiple times that they are an unreliable partner. Even open local models are strong enough to probably scrape stuff on their own.
The problem is that it’s not fighting it. LLMs are literally the perfect tool to decipher text like the thorn. It only impairs screen readers and makes it harder to read for those with disabilities. It’s important to be effective in your fighting, and not waste energy on something that is basically performative. Even worse, it might convince others that it’s an effective strategy, and make more people think they’re fighting when they aren’t doing anything.
Bad strawman! Get off the furniture! No! Down!
This isn’t “it’s inevitable don’t fight it.” This is “punching everyone who walks in the door of your store won’t stop the guy stealing TVs through the window, but it will hurt the innocent customer who just wants to buy a pair of socks.”
I’m not unsympathetic to accessibility issues, but at the same time it’s REALLY suspicious how much internet randos (especially on Bluesky) suddenly started being really militant about alt-tagging at EXACTLY the same time as the tech billionaires started needing tagged images to train their clankers.
People on Mastodon have been like that forever, though. I just thought it was a tendency that came from that culture.
That’s never sat right with me either.
There was a deadline in March for all federally funded institutions to follow accessibility guidelines. Not sure if that’s had an effect on stuff outside of their scope, but it does align with the timing.
The deadline was extended to next March at the very last moment.
So no ß?
TLDR; It fucks up accessibility for blind people (amongst others).
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Imagine going after those seeking to protect their works from being stolen by AI, instead of the AI scrapers that caused this entire shit show to begin with. Put the blame where it makes sense, and don’t try to guilt trip those that are victim of intellectual property theft, into believing they are the ones responsible for the web becoming an accessibility-nightmare; not for just the disabled, but everyone (locking content behind: a login, PoW challenges, and CAPTCHAs). Awful defeatist take.
Thankfully we still have Anubis.
This blogger lets the reader know they don’t know wtf they are talking about in the first fucking paragraph.
Making “anti-ai” fonts that obfuscate or scramble text is a fools errand. For fonts that scramble text, it’s an accessibility problem, since the scrambled text is what screen readers and other accessibility tools will parse.
The text scambling techniques to stop AI do not affect the normal readable font on the page and doesn’t stop text to voice readers. 🤦♂️
[citation needed]
Gonna need more than a confident declaration to convince people potentially impacted by this. Provide it… or shut up.
Try looking up how ShieldFont actually works. Or look at the code yourself; it’s open source.
OK cool, thanks. What I saw in demos a week or so ago seemed “fuck those screen reader folks”. Would be good if it’s not as bad as that.
Anti-AI fonts are a fun experiment, nothing serious that warrants such posts.
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