The machine gun was an imperialist and fascist technology of oppression. But call it a Kalashnikov and it becomes a tool for liberation.
Do not listen to neoliberal fuckai morons. Think for yourself what tools you can use or not. If machine generated AI slop is indistinguishable from real human “art”, then it was never art but human slop to begin with. What generations of rom-coms and participation trophies does to a people’s ego.
Push for meaningful regulation of AI instead of endless whining and villifying people like e.g. non-capitalist china does: https://regulations.ai/regulations/china-summary
China is capitalist this has been settled by Chinese capitalists claiming China is capitalist. It could be up for debate but the homelanders are almost definitely going to come out on top where .ml’s are seen as reality challenged individuals. So while I agree with your first 2 sentences I am going to challenge your propaganda attempt. Oh does only a certain class get true capitalism?
There is no such thing as “fascist technology”. Technology is just a tool. It can be used for good or evil.
Except fascists are more likely to use it because they are artistic nincompoops
I see. So using it to cure cancer has to be stopped in its tracks now cuz you had a shallow political opinion.
No one is using LLMs to cure cancer.
Read it again. Post says AI. all AI not just LLM.
like i said: shallow political opinions. just so you idiots can rage bait. this is pathetic.
I think there’s a pretty clear implication of referring to generative AI specifically when lay people use the term at this point, especially when creative labor is mentioned.
I hate clankers as much as the next person, and providing money to war profiteering should obviously be avoided with great priority…
But really? This is a wild comparison on so many levels. There are ways to use AI ethically, and there are ways to use it unethically, amd blinding yourself to that conversation is willful ignorance.
This should be obvious.
Using AI to detect cancer early? Using AI to help find new beneficial medications? Using AI to advance materials science? Great! Things like these are absolutely what we need more of.
Using AI to steal massive amounts of content made by non-consenting parties and regurgitate for AI corp profits? Using corporate algorithms to manipulate output to generate results favoring corporate billionaire owners economically and politically? Using it to make sexual photos of non-consenting women and underage girls? Using it to find ways to deny coverage, strip more money from people, wage war, attack intelligence and discourse, and remove accountability for corporate owners? Fuck that.
Guess which ones the oligarchs prefer.
Well said! It’s almost as if the conversation is being intentionally moved to ‘YES AI’ (sexy future times) vs 'NO AI (Luddite, dumb, regressive) instead of what every conversation is actually about, which is that morality should never be allowed to be determined by wealth.
Honestly I’d say it’s a pretty apt comparison. Pledging to defend your rights while avoiding using anything labeled “AI” because fascists use it is about as smart as pledging to defend your rights without using guns because fascists use them.
Thank you for saying what I was trying to much more concisely ❤️
AI != LLM != LLM chatbots.
But in this case the use of “AI” means “LLM chatbots”, nobody is really making an argument against other kinds of AI, like what is used to detect cancer (there is an argument to be made about having a black box in a medical context, but this is not the place for it).
Absolutely. I’ve softened my stance a lot recently. I think local llm are fine. The data has already been crunched the books destroyed and the water used so I may as well play with one locally. If you set realistic uses as a tool its fine. Need a quick script great at that. Summarize some notes, or search through them also great. Not really into image gen or anything else but anything helping me get dumb stuff out of the way for just myself its a W. I’m not down with using it for public facing stuff.
This “purism” is the reason why they keep winning. Letting only them using the most powerful tech humanity ever made is just like not voting for Harris because of Gaza. Look the mess we are now. How much we need to lose to stop this purism?
Ah yes. The most powerful teth humanity has ever made.
Remember that time Hitler didn’t trust atomic bomb research because it was “Jew technology” that was awesome for the world.
“AI = fascist?” Come on, let’s not dilute the term “fascist” to mean “anything I don’t like.” THAT kind of thinking is the weapon of the enemy!
LLM chatbots are designed to isolate you from the people around you, from other people online and from actual sources of knowledge, making it harder to build people power and actual community.
It is pretty inherent to these chatbots too, as they are basically a replacement to search engine (which themselves were replacements to indeces), otherwise they don’t serve a real purpose, that is to say there is no well defined problem it is a solution too.
I don’t think AI is anti-ethical or fascist per se. As many argued here, you can run it locally, you can train it on public data sets, etc.
But there is another problem that is hardly mentioned. Let’s call it a culturally negative feedback loop. AI is different from any other tool because it pretends to be an universal tool. It can generate music, pictures, videos, text, code. If we as a society outsource all those skills to automatisation, there’s a real danger we unlearn those skills.
Ultimately we’ll just unlearn thinking, why bother making any decision or have any critical thoughts yourself when you can outsource it to the AI.
This post is a little silly. Weapons like swords, guns, etc are the original fascist weapons.
Use tech or fund tech like Zig Programming language, Haiku OS , NetBSD which have Anti AI policies
The weapon is dehumanizing others and it’s a weapon that gets used pretty often here.
Yes, this is good. Keep doing everything you can to make yourselves weaker.
to make yourselves weaker.
Considering that reliance on AI weakens people’s critical thinking skills, I’m curious what your reasoning is here.
Perhaps we’re thinking of different things. I’m not talking about using it to do your homework or to read books for you.
Practical example: I’ve been thinking about making my own programming language for 20 years. This year, I was able to. Did my thinking skills diminish this year when I did something I couldn’t have been arsed to do over that long time?
You are expecting a user of the stupefying machine to make sense
Guns and Muscles are fascist too! Fighting is fascist.
Guns were invented literally thousands of years before fascism
Firearms are barely a 1000 year old technology.
have you ever heard of the hyperbowl
I think there was probably one or two people in power with fascistic tenancies a bit before guns. Pretty sure you wouldn’t have too much trouble finding a fascist in Mesopotamia. Anyone with a slave would qualify if you ask me. This whole thread and your arguments are pretty weak.
Llms are useful, and they can help people against fascism. Certainly they are not used that way predominantly today.
Looking forward to the downvotes. Till next time.
Aren’t they taking a loss on every AI operation? Like a big loss. So use enough, especially free versions, and you will drive them to bankruptcy. Lol
They can just make more money to keep the bubble from popping. There is a limit to that but how much damage to the environment will they do before that point?
If by make more money, you mean get more investment capital from the wealthy… they can. And those people who have their money in these companies when the bubble bursts will lose a very large portion of it.
That yes but also the government will print money for a bailout like they did for the automotives and banks years ago. But they can only do that once or twice. Too big to fail is still the rule of law in american echo gnomics.
How? They’re running at a huge loss.
You’re right. Keep thinking that.
Anthropic’s last quarter posted a profit.
If you use the free versions, you are still feeding them content to train their models.
Depends on what you send as a prompt. <evil grin>
Didn’t we say the same about Twitter being bought? Running it at a loss is okay for them as long as they use it to control the markets in other ways to make a profit.
The amount of loss here is magnitudes larger. And the difference is that companies like twitter and amazon ran at a loss while they poured money into infrastructure that they get to keep, and use. AI companies are spending most of the money on consumables. Depending on which, they will have some server assets and such. But when the bubble bursts, those wll be worth a lot less as everyone will be trying to offload them. Also, twitter wasn’t riding a bubble.
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Batman The Dark Knight Returns is probably the best comic
