Tolls should be proportional to vehicle (maximum) weight. Doesn’t matter where, it’s a good way to charge tolls.
Even from a highway-lover perspective it makes sense - the damage vehicles do to the road surface increases with axle load exponentially https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law
so are we going to import chinese evs yet? no no subsidies for ev companies.
America has the Chevy Bolt, $26.5K and people are not lining up to buy them.
I think we need to toll based on Vehicle Efficiency standards. Some trucks are necessary for logistics, though trains and ships are obviously preferred.
For example, the SUVs being tolled higher is perfect, as are the newer models of truck which intentionally increased weight class to skirt around efficiency standards requirements, but an electric box truck should qualify for a lower toll than them.
I also realize this complicates enforcement, I wish vehicle efficiency data were more easily documented and identified.
Minivans are are as big as suvs, but the Toyota Sienna gets 35mpg, great visibility, and a low hood for pedestrian safety
Seeming necessary doesn’t lower the amount of damage that large trucks do to the road, the exhaust they put into the air, the danger they pose to pedestrians, the space they take up on streets. There should be no exceptions to vehicle class tolls, Manhattanites are willing to pay marginally higher goods costs to live in one of the most culturally vibrant places on Earth and have the streets there be a pleasant place to exist. And I really do mean marginal: The increased toll spread over all the goods a large truck can haul comes out to pennies or less for most items.
exhaust they put into the air
My proposed metric does in fact incentivize a lower number of that, yes.
I understand, and I’m saying I don’t think there should be exceptions for that.
He should! Those fucking monsters are huge!
just do it by weight. if you weigh more u get charged more it should be the same for air planes and all cargo of course. math is math.
Except that electric cars are quieter and leave no emissions, but batteries are heavy.
I get this is !fuckcars@lemmy.world but I would still prefer not to punish electric cars as much as fossil fuel powered ones.
Why not? The heavier batteries are still damaging the road and more dangerous at speed. Just apply a weight levy separate from any emissions levy, that way we don’t accidentally encourage huge electric SUVs.
Surely smaller, lighter electric vehicles with max. 100 mile range should be encouraged in cities. I was in a car-free town in Switzerland (Zermatt) over the summer where most of the vehicles were small electric golf carts.
Have a rate multiplier based on fuel source.
excuse me that is subsidizing them. that is a huge no. u can make ev removable batteries then. too bad every single ev company made the replacement of batteries expesnive instead of making it modular so that we can replace batteries whenever we want so we can remove batteries if we want less weight eh? but very simply put based on weight is the fairest way to do it remember weight tears up the road ev or not.
also lifepo4 and sodium ion are MUCH better than lithium ion for the environment. the ev companies restricting chinese cars thus intentionally destroying the environment to prevent drops in prices and competition
Weight, engine sound, exhaust, and size. That combo of things is what everyone else is having to deal with and the money to mitigate the damages and build around them should be paid by them
Do it. SUVs and Trucks in a city make about as much sense as working a ranch with a Prius.
Well I’ll be damned. 😂
I support this, but I’m curious to know how he defines SUV. I drive a sub compact SUV (Subaru Crosstrek) because it’s the closest I could get to a station wagon; they literally do not sell station wagons on the American market anymore.
The only reason I bought a car in the first place was because my wife and I decided to have a kid and we needed a vehicle with some cargo room. We bought the smallest, most fuel efficient option in the market, so I’d be annoyed if I gpt tolled the same as the jack-ass driving a Ford F-150.
oooo, don’t say that too loud elsewhere or you’ll have angry people claiming that the Outback is still a wagon, despite not having been one for over a decade now.
I also had this trouble replacing my third gen Outback. I went with a 2012 Elantra Touring, which has very similar cargo capacity (but lower towing capacity). but it’s hard to come by 14 year old cars that aren’t rust buckets.
I can still get a newer BMW, Volvo, or VW wagon, but they’re outside of my budget and/or offensive/dangerous (distracting tech, LED headlights, etc). because fuck people who just want a Toyota Matrix, I guess. the VWs were probably the closest to my low budget in the used market
Yeah, there are still technically some wagons on the market, but they’re $75K luxury vehicles. It’s weird, because I only see people with that kind of money driving sports cars or luxury SUVs, but I guess someone is buying them.
Tunnels types love their big black throbbing Suburbans.
Fuck those things. If you really need to seat 7 people, suck it up and buy a minivan.
There are only two van options, there are no more minivans. A Toyota Sienna has a 14 month waiting list, a Chrysler Pacifica is such garbage, people would rather wait over a year.
Kia PV5 is a minivan
Simple enough: Index it by weight.
Yeah, they mention weight being a possible etermining factor in the video, and if it’s done on a scale, I’m happy to pay a little more than a sedan. I’m gonna be annoyed if there’s a flat cutoff for weight and I’m paying as much as some truck that takes up two parking spaces.
People buy bigger cars simply for the tax deduction for their business. My wife has no real need to drive a 6,000 gross weight vehicle but the government awards you with accelerated depreciation for only vehicles over that weight
just more evidence that most people are selfish and will act selfishly even if that has negative consequences for everyone else
Not going to argue with you there
Really? I’ve never heard of this. Is this industry specific?
https://www.crestcapital.com/section-179-deduction-vehicle-list-over-6000-lbs
Just has to be used for 50% business use. Also this is n expense offsetting revenue, not a tax credit
So if you just need a company car to drive to sales calls or something, then you’re better off getting some 8-seater SUV than a sedan? I would understand if it were for contractors or farmers to ensure that they weren’t trying to write off a Corvette as a business expense, but having that be universal is just dumb.
It’s why you see so many Mercedes G wagons. They just hit the 6,000 gross weight mark
Wonderful. This needs to happen in Australia, pronto
I mean its a start, but what about landmines?
I drive in the metro area about once a week-ish. I hate it. The fleets of livery/car hire/cabs clogging every major route is infuriating. Half are empty and just repositioning for whatever fare they’re picking up. All of their owners fight and lobby against imrpoved public transportation or better train service from the metro airports.
YES.
charge the ugly giant CYbertrucks, or giant TRUCKS more.
Last time I stayed in Manhattan, there was some sort of organized ride, where modified pickups kept driving by, making tons of noise. It was interesting at first but …… never. Fucking. Stopped.
Maybe also levy Uber / Lyft and other “gig” vehicles which clog the roads.
Link to article?
Ziohran MamdaniSTEIN liberal genocidaire zionist fuck. IDGAF about him.
Lemmy doesn’t even know what a Zionist is any more.
Dude the majority of humans dont even know what a zionist is anymore.
Ask an average american if bernie sanders is a zionist snd most of them will say ‘no’ … even though it took bernie over 2 yyears to acknowledge that the Genocide was indeed a Genocide
Ask the average canadian if they think that justin trudeau or mark carney are zionists and most of them will say ‘no’ … even though the canadiam gubmint under trudeau and carney didbnot cut all ties and tradee with Isnotreal and they both know of dozens of canadian people who flew out to Palestine to aid in the Genocide there in November 2023 and STILL havent done a thing about these men. (you can even look these men up lol. michael starr is one of them).
I would actually say that the majority of people on Earh today are liberal zionists who think that Isntreal has a right to exist as the majority of humans in the Earth today know that the undemocratic ‘tony blair Gaza Plan’ is going along smoothly RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE THIS… but most humans are not doing a single thing to stop it.
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This story isn’t even materially about Mandani. You’re fuckin’ broken, dude. Take a vacation or something.
Won’t this increase cost of goods entering the city by trucks, idk if that is how things work.
Deliveries aren’t coming on pick-ups, which is what “truck” usually refers to in American English.
I think this only applies to people using pickup trucks as passenger vehicles, which is an epidemic in the US because of a dumb legal loophole. Not to commercial trucks.
