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Okay, so this guy made a single trip through germany and got lucky? Good for him. But who gives a shit?
Heres my personal anecdote:
Two years ago i depended on the DB to get to work and entire months(!) went by without a single day where everything went according to plan. For important days i started my journey an hour earlier and still got fucked by the DB some times.
I booked it on Europe’s best rail website - bahn.de
Definitely not. Just last week it took me over an hour to book a train on bahn.de. I needed multiple tries as I was constantly being flagged as bot - even though I was logged in and I had windows as browser user agent. Linux is being blocked by default. The payment options are Paypal, Card payment with Mastercard or Visa and Open banking by Tink (Visa). No European payment options.
The only reason to book with bahn.de is because they have cheap tickets. The website is garbage.
Wonderful day!
I am sorry, but I just cannot believe the website blocks requests if the browser/client headers as
sec-ch-ua-platformoruser-agentcontain “linux” or not contain “windows”…More to that, I’ve just easily surfed the website via Firefox and Google Chrome browser on a Linux distribution.
May I ask, how did you actually confirm it’s OS related?
Journalists researched it:
German: https://www.heise.de/news/Deutsche-Bahn-Keine-Auskunft-unter-Linux-11300742.html
English: https://itsfoss.com/news/deutsche-bahn-blocking-linux-users/
I tried their route planner a week ago and had the same problem.
Roger that. Thank you for the references!
It indeed seems to be header related.
In such case, it must be a bug/mistake, where an incorrect security configuration might have used a dictionary with a list of known suspicious User-Agent values, like the following:
- https://github.com/BryanMorgan/isbot/blob/main/fixtures/bots.txtLet’s hope this case was not caused by something vibe-coded (LLM/“AI” generated)… or else, that would damage the trust I have to them much permanently…
I wish you safe, successful, and peaceful roads!
That was an actual issue somewhat recently. It’s solved for now since even DB knew that blocking Linux users like that was not intended behaviour.
My linux still gets blocked if the query is not for a travel on the same day, but in future
Quite agree! Best website is ns.nl or nsinternational.nl even worth it for trains not passing through the Netherlands.
For the past 7 years using DB. I can probably count on one hand if I was delayed more then 2 hours.
However being delayed between 30 mins to 1 hour is extremely common. Often half my trips.
For every important trips, we do go the night before and then stay local.
Worst I’ve been delayed was 5 hours, that’s because a signal between Frankfurt and Köln failed
On the other hand, the amount of times I was delayed by car because of traffic is much higher… but nobody complains about that
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Yep, exactly
nobody complains about that
Say what now?
Compared to the shit DB nobody complains about streets.
Dunno about that. The eternal roadworks on the motorways always elicit a tirade or two everytime I ride along. Lindau-München is a three-Kruzifix drive, depending on the Bavarianness of the driver.
I regularly hear people complain, that they’ll never use a train again and will now go by car, because of delays (last time I had that conversation was yesterday). I never heard anyone say they will switch to public transport because of roadworks or traffic. People may complain about it, but never see it as an argument against using the car
On how many of those trips did you have to switch trains?
I used to take only regional trains due to the D ticket.
For long distance it’s usually 2 ICE trains max.
Now it’s mostly just 1 train with regionals on each side
I think there really are two loud groups at work here. The first being people that know how the DB used to be (always on time whatever the weather, though this is also heavily influenced by rose-tinted glasses, survivor bias and nostalgia) and secondly people that like to hate on Germany (Germans that mostly hate modern Germany as they themselves are from 1933 and those that see the DB as an opportunity to smear some dirt on the label of German efficiency). Now I presume that, like with everything nowadays that is happening online, there’s a lot of propaganda and lobbying involved.
But to be fair, it is frustrating to be late when you have no influence on it. In the car at least you get the idea that you have some influence on your delay, false as that feeling may be.
The problem with the high workload of the train infrastructure is also one of the reasons for the amount of roadworks in Germany. Germany simply has the highest traffic in Europe overall. Partly because it is the largest economy, but also because it is located right the center of the EU. A lot of cross border traffic will cross Germany.
It is unfair to just dismiss criticism of Deutsche Bahn as being either naive or some kind of excuse to hate on Germany. I really like most things about Germany, so much that I migrated here 10 years ago. But Deutsche Bahn is absolutely awful. So, so many times I’ve ended up stranded after missing my connection. At least twice I was left behind because the train had only a single carriage and was so packed full that literally not a single person more could fit inside. Many times trains were simply cancelled, with no prior notice and with no replacement (not even bus). I hate car travel, but even so the only way I travel with DB now is if I have absolutely no deadline that day.
And on top of that all, DB has the audacity to charge the prices of a top tier rail provider, especially if you don’t know 6 months in advance that you will need to travel. Oh and if a train is cancelled / overpacked / inexcusably late, you think you will get a refund on your expensive ticket? Of course not! Just suck it up and wait for a different train, no matter how long the wait and no matter how much it messes up your plans.
and you still use DB rather than driving.
I commute by train in Austria. The only time the trains are late are when they start in Germany. As I have a valid ticket for any train this sometimes works in my favor, as I can take the ICE that has been late two hours straight from the platform because it fits when I leave work.
Most of the time it is fine, but you can not depend on it.
Perhaps if the price would be ⅓ at least ½ of what you need to pay, there would be less complaints because you be getting the services for adequate price.
You can also not depend on going by car or by plane. You actually can not depend on anything
This is a very good quote about the nature of people complaining about german trains:
Passengers do not complain about trains they cannot take, because those trains do not exist.
Solution: Decrease the number of trains /joke
I wish that was a joke as well but they really do do that. That is how we lost so much train infrastructure threwout the 80s and 90s
I think many people who complain about DB simply have no idea what it’s like elsewhere. I recently returned to Toronto, Canada from spending a few weeks in Germany. We relied on the train system for all of our travel within the country, and yes occasionally trains were late/delayed, but we were actually able to get everywhere we needed to without driving. This is with two adults and two kids with a stroller and occasionally luggage.
Coming back to Toronto was a bit of shock. Our municipal train system is adequate but nowhere near the level of, say, Berlin. Our regional train system is fundamentally broken because you still need a car at the end of your journey. There is virtually no train network in any of the destination cities.
Instead you are forced to drive. And our highways are congested. It takes hours of sitting in traffic to get around outside of the city. And this is completey normal here, people do this every day.
Edit: The other thing that was practically magical was the DB pass that we bought. A single pass allowed us unlimited travel on all the regional trains as well as all the municipal transit in every city we visited. This is unheard of back here.
It was never a joke. It has always been an insult.
So… it’s fine for German trains to break down constantly and have knock on effects because there are many of them?
I agree: it’s great that there are that many trains in Germany and that overall they are reasonably priced. On the other hand,I hate that their high speed is so much lower than their neighboring countries’, 200km/h versus 300km/h. It makes crossing Germany an incredible slog. So much that I would like the source on the article statement that a lot of passenger traffic in Germany is through traffic. That seems like a dreadful idea to me.
And the likelihood of something going amiss is so high all the time. There were supposed to be works on the tracks, but I haven’t been following the matter the last couple of years so I don’t know the status. I doubt it has yet completely changed the situation.
The rail upgrades in Germany are ongoing and extensive. The problem is the sheer scale of the work. Germany has a massive rail network, and they’re about 70 years behind on rail maintenance.
It’ll just take time, and fixing sections doesn’t make those sections all fixed if other sections still have breakdowns that cascade over.
The stations are also undersized for the scale of passengers and trains. Those take even longer to fix, often because they decide to go for awesome architecture and non-disruptive tunneling instead of quick and disruptive options.
Germany will sort it out someday, but it’s a 20 year fix, not a two year one.
I use interrail a lot to travel across Europe. In France the TGV is great; but it is hard to get to places that are not close to TGV, the regional trains are overfilled and feel old-fashioned. I was impressed with the train system in Italy, all the way down to Messina… but on Sicily the trains are slow and far in between; like in France , Italy seems to have decoupled its provinces…Netherlands is surprisingly good for such a densely populated country. I like the German system too, it always gets me where I want to go, in many cases with some delay, but in a system so complex, I have no big issue with it. I only know one country that complains as much about the railway system as Germany: the UK.
Local publich Transport in cities is usually fine.
Local public transport I’m villages is usually terrible.
And everyone in Germany has stories about long-travel public transport failing miserably.
Yes, but I also have stories about long-travel car trips failing badly. Still there are no jokes about the German road network being shit.
Couple of years ago a friend of mine was planning a trip to Germany and wanted to move between two cities. I’ve check the prices quickly and a trip on a normal train going maybe 100-200km cost ~60€. At the same time similar trip on a high speed train in Spain was about 20€. No idea if it changed but Deutsche Bahn seemed like a joke back then.
It’s frankly hilarious that the author specifically calls out everyone but Green voters as the problem and in the next sentence identifies Schröder as the root (the infection vector in Germany for neoliberal shitfuckery was actually Kohl, but close enough):
Ultimately any German who has ever voted for any party other than the Grüne also deserves what they get. The Third Way / Die neue Mitte of Gerhard Schröder from the late 1990s is at the root of all of this […]
Who, again, were the coalition partners of Schröder’s SPD and whose voters are thus just as responsible for Germany’s catrastrophic neoliberal course? Toot, toot, it’s the Greens.
The only major party we can (as of yet) count on the make-things-better-for-normal-people side of this is Die Linke; as usual, unfortunately, 'cause they have their own issues.
https://chuuchuu.com/2025wrapped
This ranks Germany #7 on train punctuality out of seven listed, at 58.5% on-time, though there may be more that didn’t make a top-seven list, as it says that it deals with data from 11 countries.








