@zbyte64 with everything you see you are scraping data from your environment whether you want to or not
How does a child learn what pain is? How does a teenager learn what heartbreak is? It’s certainly not because they made the decision to find that out themselves
I bring up agency and I get an exemplary response what I mean.
Raising a child well requires someone who is able to engage in the child’s own theory of mind. If you just treat a child as an information sponge they will need more therapy than usual. A good parent takes interest in their child’s ability to exercise agency.
Then I guess my original point of agency being an essential element in human learning had nothing to do with your conversation about how AI learns like humans. Carry on.
@zbyte64 from what I understand, you’re referring to the process at scale—the amount of information the AI can take in is inhuman—which I’m not disagreeing with
None of which is relevant to my original point: the scale of their operations, which has already been used countless times in copyright law
The scale at which they operate and their intention to profit is the basis for their infringement, how they’re doing it would be largely irrelevant in a copyright case, is my point
I don’t understand how when I say “agency” or “an aspect of the process” one would think I’m talking about the volume of information and not the quality.
@zbyte64 1) In no way is quality a part of that equation and 2) In what other contexts is quality ever a part of the equation? I mean I can go look at some Monets and paint some shitty water lillies, is that somehow problematic?
@zbyte64 a lot of my writing style is influenced from reading Rick Riordan, my blog posts are stylistically influenced by The Verge, my composing has been said to remind people of Hans Zimmer
Do I owe them money every time I create simply because they influenced my creativity? No.
If I use their work for profit, THAT’S when they need to be paid and that’s why I’m saying OpenAI and other models are blatantly infringing on copyright
@zbyte64 with everything you see you are scraping data from your environment whether you want to or not
How does a child learn what pain is? How does a teenager learn what heartbreak is? It’s certainly not because they made the decision to find that out themselves
I bring up agency and I get an exemplary response what I mean.
Raising a child well requires someone who is able to engage in the child’s own theory of mind. If you just treat a child as an information sponge they will need more therapy than usual. A good parent takes interest in their child’s ability to exercise agency.
@zbyte64 you’re getting away from the original conversation
Then I guess my original point of agency being an essential element in human learning had nothing to do with your conversation about how AI learns like humans. Carry on.
@zbyte64 we’re saying the same thing
It’s a matter scale, not process
I’m literally saying (an aspect of) process matters, how are we saying the same thing?
@zbyte64 from what I understand, you’re referring to the process at scale—the amount of information the AI can take in is inhuman—which I’m not disagreeing with
None of which is relevant to my original point: the scale of their operations, which has already been used countless times in copyright law
The scale at which they operate and their intention to profit is the basis for their infringement, how they’re doing it would be largely irrelevant in a copyright case, is my point
I don’t understand how when I say “agency” or “an aspect of the process” one would think I’m talking about the volume of information and not the quality.
@zbyte64 1) In no way is quality a part of that equation and 2) In what other contexts is quality ever a part of the equation? I mean I can go look at some Monets and paint some shitty water lillies, is that somehow problematic?
@zbyte64 a lot of my writing style is influenced from reading Rick Riordan, my blog posts are stylistically influenced by The Verge, my composing has been said to remind people of Hans Zimmer
Do I owe them money every time I create simply because they influenced my creativity? No.
If I use their work for profit, THAT’S when they need to be paid and that’s why I’m saying OpenAI and other models are blatantly infringing on copyright
Sorry for the nuance, I guess