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    but no one believed that it was russian bots all along back when they were wrecking havoc over every other election across Europe and US…

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      As an American, I assure you there was no foreign interference needed in making my neighbors awful people.

      I hardly think that’s different for Europeans.

      You seriously think it’s Russia “wreaking havoc” across the world? We may live in the same country, but a different planet.

      Even most Americans admit that’s not true .

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        As an American, I assure you there was no foreign interference needed in making my neighbors awful people.

        I assure you, their number 1 tactic is finding people on the fence of being evil scumbags and giving them a nice push in the wrong direction. And this isn’t a recent event. They have been doing this at least since Soviet Union got started.

        Anyone who has ever wondered what the fuck happened to the brains of their parents, grandparents or even your own brain in the last 20 years. Most probably this.

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          Damn, if they can wield that much influence from another country, just imagine how much the US government is capable of shaping people’s views.

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            Did you know at least 6 Marvel movies have worked closely with American military?

            Sure a random thread on reddit or lemmy is the real propaganda.

            Edit : Unless of course it’s the make believe parliament game on /pol/.

            Edit 2: It’s really getting hard to keep track of what’s propaganda and what’s not these days.

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              Hey, how many USSR movies worked with the military and China as well? Oh shit, I know what the answer will be already so don’t respond, it’s just a deflection guaranteed.

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                How many of those movies has the average American seen? The only one I can think of is Come and See, (and that’s more of an artistic movie about the horrors of war) and I’m aware of the Wolf Warrior movies but I haven’t actually seen them. Otherwise, I don’t think I could even name another, much less be influenced by them, and that’s more than most people could.

                Or are you not claiming that Russian and Chinese movies have a comparable influence on Americans as American movies? In that case, it’s just a whataboutism, not relevant to the discussion. We’re talking about who has influence over Americans.

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                  Boy, you purposely are being obtuse. The propaganda movies are as influential in their respective countries as the USA is in the USA. It’s been the history of cinema for a country to work with cinema to make pro-military propaganda so no one country is innocent of doing or have done this. Ukraine does it and I show more support for them fighting an imperialist invader who made arguments later for their invasion. The thing people like you don’t seem to get, I don’t like the USA either, or the permanent UN Security Council members for that fact. No country is innocent of criticism how it has handled itself in the past and presently. If you think anyone is innocent, I bid you farewell and go back to the hole you crawled out of.

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                Born too late to witness the greatness of Sergei Bondarchuk, born too early to witness truly democratic artistic expression. Born just in time to witness Avengers Assemble™ episode 17 The Return of WonderIronThanos.

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          Are these “Russians” in the room with you right now? What kind of things do they tell you to do? Do you feel like you’re going to act on these voices’ commands?

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            No not right now because most of their fucking bot farms are on fire. You seem to be up somehow, but I can help with that.

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            Seems like not all bots got shutdown huh. Even got enough bandwidth credits for a little gif? How cute.

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          He’s not wrong but is purposely missing all the instances of Russia and China selling vast amounts of weaponary as well for their proxy conflicts. So he’s misleading entirely with this ommission and and denial of it.

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                  Are the liberals in the room right now or just leftists who hate all imperialist countries? I know it’s hard to think with all that state run media in your head but I know you can do it.

                  Edit: So was your .ml accounts banned and this is you getting around a ban evasion?

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        Nah I work in bot detection. Russian troll farms are massive and working incredibly hard to destabilize the world. I’d go as far as to say it’s one of the biggest threats we face right now. It’s just destroying society for sake of destroying it and people like you still don’t believe it.

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      Correction: These were search engine crawlers and not social media commenting bots. You can read the original cloudflare post.

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      Real. I joined it cuz it said it was FOSS focused and run by the creators of Lemmy which I thought was neat. Did not realize it was a tankie cesspool. I’m now banned from a good portion of it for “Nazi apologia” because I said calling Ukraine Nazis was Russian propaganda

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        You may be new enough not to have encountered this yet but our instance has a well earned reputation of being Soviet boot lickers. Be careful on .ml meme subs and stuff, you’ll catch a permaban for saying anything pro Ukraine or in any way interpretable as anti Russia

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            Do we? You might be overestimating your impact as a person, or I maybe I only pay attention to the usernames of people who make a big positive difference on my flavor of the fediverse!

            All the same, brand new accounts are fishy as fuck, especially with 0 posts. Try creating, not just critiquing!

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    The BothSidesBad comments have dropped by 70%, even in the thread about how much of a cunt Gavin Newsom is.

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      Both-sides including Nazis is bad. Right? Right? Right?

      “When you sit with eleven Nazis, there are a dozen Nazis.”

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        Posts picture of several Nazis. Implies entire country is full of Nazis.

        You do understand that Putin is a violent, fascist imperialist, don’t you?

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          You do realize that there are entire batallions of Nazis in Ukraine that kidnap civilians off the street and force them to die on the front line, right? Azov batallion?

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            You do realize that Russians are kidnapping Ukrainian children? That they are raping and murdering innocent civilians?

            It is telling that posters like you condemn American and Ukrainian Nazis, but stay silent on Russian evils.

            For the record, I think all Nazis/fascists/jmperialists should at least be in prison. And I mean ALL of them, not just from a specific country.

            Tell me, how do personally view Putin?

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            Right? Every nation has a small minority of fascists. The fact that this small minority took power in a U.S backed coup is sorta the entire problem.

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      Gavin newsom is a cunt and I’m from Cali.

      Here’s proof:

      Fucking shit state in a shithole country

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        I don’t think I would take that picture. It’s kinda weird that you can just pull that up from your gallery, as if it’s a side note. Do you often take candid shots of people having a rough time? Idk, that’s weird to me

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          Yes. I take pictures of despair to show fellow Americans when they tell me this is the greatest country in the world. Liberals gasp that I would take pictures like this! Well newsflash, the USA is filled with misery, you just want to be shown the beautiful Hollywood propaganda. Fuck that. Take pictures of what hell this place is, what it does to people, how it treats it’s vulnerable.

          I can also post the picture of an elderly woman killed by a speeding driver. I like to pull that out when people tell me we can’t make our streets safer.

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            Did you ask that person for consent for a picture? Or is someone experiencing the lowest state of their life journey just free game for public exhibition?

            Did you speak with them, drop them a slice of pizza, a water, or a sandwich? Or just take a picture like they’re a zoo animal to show people to win internet arguments?

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                What??? HAHAHAHA

                A .ml suddenly becomes anti direct action once the topic is actual humans in my community?

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                  Your one of the liberals that screeched at this photograph weren’t you? DiD yOu gET cOnsEnt froM THe StaRVIng cHIld??? Reeeee

                  Let me guess you also demand consent from a gazelle hunted by a lion? Fucking pathetic

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              Do you live in a neighborhood with a chronic homeless population? Do you experience the pain and suffering if individuals who are unable to find shelter on a daily basis? Do you know what rotting flesh smells like from an untreated wound because the person is chronically high and passed out under a bridge?

              Don’t fucking judge my photography, judge your government and society for allowing this shit to exist. I see the pain everyday, and having people like you brush it aside and virtue signal that this isn’t a problem is pure evil imo

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                Literally yes. I live within a few blocks of a shelter, and know the community decently well, as they’re part of my neighborhood.

                I notice you declined to mention if you got that person a water, or some food, or just took a picture for your internet high horse.

                Fuck off with you accusing me of virtue signaling while you use the unhoused as a fucking photoshoot for agitprop. You’re a misery tourist, and I will judge you for that.

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                  Why the fuck would I get them a water or something to eat if they’re passed out? Plus it was 6:00 a.m… I’m not a misery tourist. I live in the fucking misery. Show proof that you actually live near a homeless shelter. You fucking liar

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              This is the USA. I don’t need consent to take pictures of people in public.

              If they choose to sleep obviously in public I will happily take pictures, there are more discreet ways to sleep, no?

              I asked them if they were ok, no response, I called 311 and they told me there’s nothing they can do even though I told them idk if he is alive 😀 insanity!

              Zoo animals, if they decide to sleep blatantly in public spaces I will blatantly take pictures of them, ask them if they are ok and if I don’t get a response call 311 (who will tell me there is nothing they can do)

              I think I got all your questions. Like I said I am documenting the SHITHOLE USA, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEE IT DOESN’T MEAN THE SUFFERING DOESN’T EXIST!

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                Thank you for the Palantir defense, very cool! You could interact with them like a human, and provide help instead of calling the cops to take them away because they’re sleeping in a place inconvenient when you walk by.

                Note added, misery tourist. The world becomes a better place through action, not whining online while acting like the paparazzi for people in a bad place in life.

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                  A sandwich won’t help someone who is suffering from a mental health and chronic self abuse. Keep virtue signaling while people continue to suffer in this SHITHOLE country. Let me guess, you also hate the idea of police getting recoded, or pedophiles getting recorded during their meet up? It’s my fucking right, you can cry about it like a little bitch 🖕

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                  There are 2 types of homeless individuals, the blatant ones that absolutely don’t gaf and ones that are more discreet and try to hide from public view. I didn’t call them zoo animals, the commenter before me did. We are all technically all animals though and the liberal government elites of California along with the liberals like the commenter I was responding to treat the homeless like zoo animals. Think about it: the liberals refuse to make any systematic change and need to continue the status quo and believe handing out food and needles will help the homeless. It’s pure evil at this point, wake up!

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            Oh, well hello “fellow American”. Thank you for your dedication to taking pictures to show how you’re “not a lib”, but rather a truly elevated person

            You’re a 1 week old account

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              Lol so just because I’m a 2 week old account I don’t have the right to speak my mind or post pictures of the plight and suffering of my fellow Americans? Man you liberals really love shutting people down when they speak truth to power. You’re a evil fuck and you’re the problem!

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          Do you live in a neighborhood with a chronic homeless population? Do you experience the pain and suffering if individuals who are unable to find shelter on a daily basis? Do you know what rotting flesh smells like from an untreated wound because the person is chronically high and passed out under a bridge?

          Don’t fucking judge my photography, judge your government and society for allowing this shit to exist. I see the pain everyday, and having people like you brush it aside and virtue signal that this isn’t a problem is pure evil imo

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            Coward

            Edit: you can’t even remember whom you’re replying to with your slop. May as well delete this account, make another, and try harder. Lame as fuck flamer

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        yes California has problems and suffering but honestly calling the USA a shithole country just outs you as a sheltered child who hasn’t really been anywhere. One day, go to a real shithole, maybe try living there for a year and then you’ll fucking beg to be homeless in San Diego or whatever.

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          Lmfao what country do you want me to go to so that I experience the shithole life? Btw let’s compare Apples to apples, I want the other SHITHOLE country to have similar GDP per capita as USA. Where is this SHITHOLE???

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        For anyone passing by these comments, this user is the definition of some bot farm shit. The only goal is to make rifts among people, because a people divided is easier to control. Call the slop out

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          vOtE deMoKrAT nO mAtTEr hWuT!!! Truly the rallying cry that will solve all our problems. It’s not like Democrats haven’t been champions of Reaganomics for the past 30 years since Clinton. Fucking delusional

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        Oh shit the servers are back up!

        We know Gavin is a cunt. We also know he’s less of a cunt than whoever the GOP is going to nominate. In a #1 Cunt War, JD vs Gavin is hardly a contest. Don’t nominate him and we won’t have to have this discussion in 2028.

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        Я хуй знает кто такой этот ваш Гэвин, но по описанию он и правда похож на пизду.

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    Idk why anyone would be stanning for Russia of the modern day, theres no socialism or communism to be found there after the fall of the USSR… (not that the USSR was the most progressive place to begin with but eh)

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      They’re not, they just don’t think we should be giving weapons to another fascist state to prolong the billionaire’s war.

      The libs don’t actually want to contend with conflicting view points so they just tell people what their opposition thinks.

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      Alright, this is getting unfunny now

      most likely resulting in slower internet services or complete disruption for the average Russian. Unfortunately, the ordinary Russian wouldn’t be able to use high-speed satellite internet as a backup, as Starlink does not work in Russia,

      What the fuck is he talking about. Yandex is not an ISP, it doesnt provide any internet access services to anyone. Its first and foremost a search engine, like google (the crawlers are most likely responsible for most of outgoing traffic, tagged as bot or otherwise), with crapload of affiliated services, like google, including their own payment system, like google, which is causing a lot of pain rn to those who chose to keep all of their savings in it, and their own cloud service, like google, which took down quite a lot of other sites with it, along with disruptions to TV’s (yandex OS is running on nearly half of them, like android) as well as, unlike google, taxi and food delivery services that they have near-monopoly on, so those effectively halted in the entire country. But, again, unlike google, they dont offer FTTH, residential or commerical internet access, or anything even remotely like that. What in the fuck’s sake satellite internet and starlink has to do with it, idk, thats just plain absolute worst journalism, just writing words without even a pinch of research.

      And no, despite of how funny it would’ve been, there isnt actually any report of reduced troll activity ofher than some weird chart some german politician pulled out of their ass without referencing any source. You can even go to xitter, type “яндекс” into search and find loads of actual Russians mass ratioing those few that chose to defend yandex, as well as their reps themselves trying to calm everyone down. If anything, Russian activity on foreign resources only increased because domestic resources are down.

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        Marxist Leninist instance. Some users just appear to be paid chinese propagandists.

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          Yeah they 100% are. The China Show (ADV) on YouTube covers Chinese news every week, 99% of it never reaches Western news. Anyways they have footage of the CCP forcing prisoners on computers being forced to troll an shill CCP propaganda like 18 hours every day off the week.

          It’s utterly crazy the money their propaganda machine pays to make people think it isn’t an absolute shit hole.

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            Wonder what it would be like if they spent the same amount of effort and money making people think it’s not a shithole by making it not a shithole?

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              I am in China right now picking up some stuff before I head back to vietnam, it has way better infrastructure than any other country I’ve been to, last week I took a highspeed train 200 miles for ~16USD.

              Here’s a dog on a scooter:

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                My guy, America has the largest prison population in the world, more than big mean baddie China with X5 more people.

                This is BECAUSE of legalized slavery under our Constitution’s 13th Amendment.

                Every accusation is a confession.

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                  Yes, that’s the point. There’s no money available to be invested into the well-being of the state because they’re not currently investing money into the slave labor.

                  In the US, there is money, it just goes to private prisons.

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            And it doesn’t make any sense to begin with what they’re saying. They’ll contradict themselves constantly, had one say the USA is authoritarian then in the next post say such a thing doesn’t exist.

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            America is arming over 80% of all dictatorship globally, not China, not Russia, not Iran, not North Korea, etc

            If you see human rights and democracy as a universal principle, then this makes America the least democratic, most brutal regime in the world.

            But you don’t, these are just selective privileges you enjoy on the backs of the oppressed, a weaponized cudgel to steal natural resources from developing nations.

            Even most other Americans realize this, but are helpless to stop it because this isn’t a democracy, especially in terms of our foreign policy.

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              Your post is literally what yermaw is talking about.

              Instead of flooding the comments with Russian propaganda, why don’t you answer this question: Do you think Russia is doing a good thing or a bad thing in Ukraine?

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                And it’s not like Russia and China haven’t flooded the markets with their own weapons as well. Most of the middle east uses Soviet era weaponry and if they have them tanks. My understanding there’s not as much armour in use in Africa but what do you see more of there, the AR or AK?

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                  There’s a reason Tony Gilroy made AK blasters in Andor. The AK is the weapon of liberation. M16/ARs are the weapons of the oppressors. The whole world knows this for a reason except you

                  Russia is very liberating the Sahel from centuries of colonialism.

                  When they start pulling shit like the CFA franc, then you can talk. Until then, please shut the fuck up.

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        You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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        I’m asking in full honestly, do you seriously believe this or are you just being passive aggressive?

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          I’m convinced tankie has just become some sort of pickme tribalism for recently de-conservatived. The lemmy updoot seeking.

          Decades of pro-capitalist and US exceptionalism propaganda is fighting a hard battle in the face of reality.

          It’s sort of annoying, but seems kind of harmless. It’s like whataboutism knee-jerking because US political discourse is pretty juvenile.

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        The liberal brain and its capability to convince itself of any and all propaganda against their countries “enemies”

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        Nobody could actually disagree with my perfectly formed opinions, they must be foreign robots.

        -Godric, probably