Oh my fucking god, this might be the most badass comeback to those shitty “it’s gay” arguments I’ve heard in a long time 😂

  • Blibly@lemmy.worldEnglish
    100·
    25 days ago

    Some may disagree but even the idea that trans women were ever men in the first place is kinda backwards. Trans people have the brains of the gender they are and we are our brains, not our genitals. Trans people are just adjusting their body to the identity they always were in the first place.

    Also, even if you’re ill informed enough to think its gay…so what? Why is being gay bad? Enough with the fucking bigotry already get over yourselves.

    • Malica@lemmy.zipEnglish
      25·
      25 days ago

      It’s like misogyny, why is being compared to a woman an insult? Fuck bigotry, especially the borderline genocide happening to trans people right now.

    • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
      21·
      25 days ago

      I wish I understood this earlier than like 4 years sgo. They don’t teach it at school in the country where I and Miisha live, even the “woke” one I went to (or I don’t remember, I was super ignorant back then)…

      • tomatosametomato@piefed.zipEnglish
        1·
        23 days ago

        I mean it’s missing. “We are our brains + long range signalling molecule emitting organs” is better but it doesn’t roll off your tongue does it?

        I am hangry when I’m hungry which means my stomach is a part of my personality (my responses to stimuli), not just my brain. Disregarding endocrine system is not scientifically honest.

        Cancer (unwanted tissue) can change your personality (cancer is at the wrong place and actually changing brain signals or simply due to constant pain) and we remove them. Likewise, removing unwanted gonads can improve someone’s well-being (it was causing constant misery = personality change).

    • Lemming6969@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      25 days ago

      To be accurate, you are what you are, both mentally and physically. Both count, and both are valid reasons to be attracted to or not attracted to someone. What labels those are given can be nuanced or not, depending on the audience and intention. That’s the reality of it all.

    • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      24 days ago

      Kinda completely unrelated but one of the reasons the professional skater Andy Anderson is goated is his famous “your brain is YOU” line in regards to wearing helmets. Like, your dick could be obliterated today (apologies for graphic nature) and if you survived it wouldn’t make you a woman, unless you wanted to be, in your heart which is a metaphoric way of saying your brain and now I’m confusing myself

    • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      1·
      25 days ago

      I think a big problem is just in language and preserving history. There’s an idea of deadnaming and an implication you shouldn’t use a trans person’s pre-transition name, but it gets complicated when talking about pre-transition events, since the person was referred to (possibly posted under) their old name and was seen by the people at the same as the gender they identified as at the time, which can get really confusing and hard to keep consistent.

      Could go so far as to argue it’s revisionist to do so, though I don’t really think so, but it might be running into some of the same problems in terms of preserving history. But it’s mostly just hard to talk about correctly, respectfully and clearly.

      • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        5·
        24 days ago

        My mom had a hard time with this until I asked her if it hurt more to fuck me over or rewrite the name I went by as a child. It clicked and now she has no issues just replacing my identity completely when talking about my past.

        When everyone knows you by who you are now, revise history. Doing anything less will only confuse everyone and humiliate you for no reason.

        • KubeRoot@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          1·
          24 days ago

          Doing anything less will only confuse everyone and humiliate you for no reason.

          That’s the part I disagree with - I think revising history can itself be confusing. It’s a price I’m willing to pay, I just wish there was a better way.

          I’ll also mention I come from a country with a strongly gendered language, where verbs in the past tense and adjectives are gendered. That sometimes makes it difficult to talk about such things, and might be making me worry about this more.

          • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2·
            23 days ago

            I promise you, relinquishing the worry and just using the current identity to refer to past events will be less confusing in practice 100% of the time. If you have a trans friend introducing them to new people, bringing up the past and needing to clarify that your friend is trans and proceed to misgender them the entire time while talking about it will be extremely humiliating for your friend and awkward for the people you’re supposedly trying to help by making this pointleasly cruel distinction just for some misguided idea of consistency.

  • Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    66·
    25 days ago

    Hi, local pedantic lemming here, one correction. She was not “born male,” but merely “assigned” as one. Carry on.

  • Xyre@lemmus.orgEnglish
    46·
    25 days ago

    “Nooo, it’s because they’re actually a 1000 year old reincarnated male dragon!”

  • tackleberry@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    10·
    25 days ago

    I wish people would let these kind of comments remain on the platform they were original posted in. I visit The Lemmy Club to get away from content like that. 😞

  • BoosBeau@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    24 days ago

    If you use “gay” as an insult, then you have cat shit where your brains are supposed to be

    • Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      24 days ago

      I’m not defending it in any way, but where I’m from, disparaging things by calling them “gay” back in the 90s was ubiquitous. So much so that LGBTQ friends of mine did it at the time and up into the early 00s at least. I don’t hear it any more because everyone wised up, but at the time there was definitely a little bit of taking the power back using the term.

  • greenskye@lemmy.zipEnglish
    9·
    25 days ago

    I mean I have seen people unironically claim the second scenario. And people seem to forever be attempting to claim 20+ year old women as ‘children’ whenever they are dating older men as well. Which, sure call the dude out for being gross, but don’t try to rob an adult of their own agency. That always came off as weirdly sexist against women to me. Like a grown woman couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted to make her own decisions. Which just felt like yet another way to control women, not actually protect them.

    • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      24 days ago

      A 20 year old isn’t a child, but that doesn’t mean someone over double her age isn’t taking advantage of her youth and lack of experience.

      What a weird place for you to take this conversation.

    • cosmos8188@leminal.spaceEnglish
      3·
      24 days ago

      Agreed, I never understood this mentality. Not only is this extremely sexist (for no reason what so ever) but ageist aswell. I’ve seen this scenario occur on Lemmy (mainly .global), and the conclusion is always the same: the woman has the mental capacity of a 5yo.

      Also, like other things, this behaviour muddies the waters in what pedophilia is - further straying off from its definition just to allow others to use it as an baseless insult and a deregatory term for the inflicted.

        • captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
          1·
          24 days ago

          Probably in that it is often seen as fine when a woman is older, as long as the man is of age

          I’m not sure how I feel, as I only have witnessed this scenario, not a teenage girl being with an adult man

          • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            24 days ago

            not a teenage girl being with an adult man

            You’ve never seen any teenage girl with an adult man before? Do you not consume media at all?

            • captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
              1·
              24 days ago

              I mean in real life

              But yeah, I only consume memes and old books, and apart from Lolita I didn’t encounter that either. There a situation is worse as she is underage, so I don’t think this is relevant

  • Thor_Whale@lemmus.orgEnglish
    4·
    24 days ago

    My brain is fried trying to read through the comments here. This kind of shit costs elections. How about we focus on universal healthcare and UBI.

    • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      9·
      24 days ago

      We can focus on multiple things at once.

      I will not abandon trans people because it’s uncomfortable for some to see people talking about it.

    • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
      7·
      24 days ago

      Someone always seems to come and mention universal healthcare and universal basic income. I don’t disagree that those things are very important actually, but bigotry is still bad. I believe that two things can be true at the same time.
      Not trying to be offensive, not trying to fight. I’m just saying.

    • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPEnglish
      20·
      25 days ago

      I really didn’t make this post with the intention of arguing about the semantics of labels. But I just want you to know, I disagree with you.

      And also…at least in my experience, men who are like that are usually chasers. Not all of them ofc, but I’ve had the pleasure before. Yuck…

        • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          11·
          25 days ago

          People attracted to trans women as women aren’t fetishing their penis or are otherwise attracted to their penis for penis sake. They’re attracted to women.

          Our genitalia is not the be-all end-all of attraction.

            • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              8·
              25 days ago

              That’s why I specified “people attracted to trans women as women”.

              The meme doesn’t need to be countered because men attracted to women aren’t homosexual.

        • Ginny [they/she]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          7·
          24 days ago

          If a person is really into the idea of getting fucked by someone with a penis, but completely put off by the idea of that someone being a big, strong guy, then, is it accurate to describe that person as attracted to men? I would argue no, as that is essentially reducing sex entirely down to genitalia.

          Now, I am sure that some would argue that this is a thing that doesn’t happen in practice, and that a man who is into dick but men is just in denial due to internalised homophobia. And I think that’s definitely true in at least some cases. But I think an alternative explanation is that the man may be one of the humblest of God’s creatures; the cishet male bottom.

            • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              7·
              24 days ago

              Women fuck men with strap ons all the time and that’s straight as hell. Why would that change if said woman has a real penis? That’s like arguing that gay men that top aren’t gay because an asshole is closer to a pussy than a dick.

            • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              6·
              24 days ago

              Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though.

              No. Men who enjoy being penetrated by women are still straight. Whether it’s a cis or trans woman, they’re still women.

              I’ve pegged many straight men. They’re still straight after I fuck them because I am a woman.

                • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  5·
                  24 days ago

                  I’m a cis woman though it doesn’t make a difference here.

                  I have fucked a lot of men with my strap on. A lot of straight cis men.

                  If a man identifies as straight, who the fuck are YOU to define someone else’s sexuality using your outdated views of sexual acts as gender affirming acts.

                  That you are reducing trans women down to a “feminine presenting penis” is bigoted behavior.

  • scops@reddthat.comEnglish
    3·
    25 days ago

    Only flaw I see here is the correlation between people who say dating a trans woman is gay and membership in the Grand Ole Pedo party