Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
Just opened the thread to make sure someone was spreading the good word.
Would you look at the time! Tux o’clock already!
Yeah but Linux isn’t viable for me because [very obscure bug that was fixed in 2014]
i can backup my home computer, reinstall the entire OS, all apps, restore all the data, faster than a single Windows Update takes on my work machine
Their computer is installing updates, sure they have a few minutes.
Our Linus, who art from Finland, Hallowed be thy kernel.
He’s been in California for decades.
But he’s from Finland.
Linux users in their natural habitat, obscure online forums.
Observe how they nitpick minor technicalities between themselves, a hallmark sign of affection among their kind.
Iirc he’s in Oregon.
If I don’t find an anti-AI kernel fork I might be moving to NetBSD soon. That sucks, I hate moving to a new OS.
Linus has always prioritized results over ideological purity. Which is why Linux runs the world whereas BSD is still just a niche project.
Clearly he doesn’t care about results because he slop coded with antigravity rather than reading documentation for a python side-project. I imagine his younger self would be cussing his older self out for shipping things he literally doesn’t understand.
The reason for his actions are much simpler: he got paid. He gets paid from the linux foundation which receives a lump sum from AI companies. In 2024 Linus said AI was just Hype, but then the foundation received millions in funds from the AI companies.
If he cared about results he would have written the damn things himself.
I’m no vibecoder but between 2024 and now, LLMs also got much better. It might not have been the money that changed his mind.
LLMs either hit a wall or got worse, so no.
As much as I’d like that to be true, this is unfortunately not the case…
You’re going to argue that some new never before seen trove of uncontaminated training data was discovered? Perhaps you think the AI Scaling Laws don’t exist? Businesses that adopted AI dropped it or went out of business not long after, it’s as useless today as it was in the 1980s.
I’m not totally convinced that his behavior in the past is a reflection on what is to come. He is at this point still refusing to answer questions about licensing LLM generated code and such and has apparently been obfuscating LLM commits. That doesn’t sound like somebody who is committed to results so much as it sounds like somebody giving into AI brainrot.
He’s also human, for example he hypothetically could use AI to offset a disability like dementia - a totally reasonable emotional response, but also not who I want controlling global cyber security.
Last I heard though all AI commits were a separate branch, I wasn’t aware of any sneakiness.
I’m not sure I’d call permissive licensing “ideological purity” compared to copyleft.
Frankly, I think BSD loses because corporations are legally allowed to take and never give back.
That and BSD was almost BSD™ by AT&T™.
Lost all its momentum at probably its most valuable growth opportunity to a single dev.
A lot of people very recently are already jumping ship from Linux so it appears a new most valuable growth opportunity has arrived.
OUCH
Me with my media library laptop on 58 days of uptime, chugging along like nothing is wrong
I remember during the last big win11 update i defined active hours which was recommended by Microsoft to do so it only updates outside of work hours.
Only for it to get reset without notification so all workstations started updating in the middle of work when left idle
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Windows isn’t ready for the desktop.
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Simple rules of thumb:
Never use windows for presentations.
Never use powerpoint for presentations.
Never use your own profile for presentations.
Always have a synced version to a URL that you can refer the audience to if the projector fails or doesnt like your computer.
But yeah, that sucks.
A friend who did a lot of presentations said: always have backups for everything.
- spare laptop
- duplicates of all kinds of connectors & cables
- projector and external speakers (if all in-person audience)
- know of any other available rooms nearby
- copies of presentation on USB and online
- etc.
I went on a business trip with him once, and we all carried 2 bags each of equipment. Last I heard, he ended up working for a large entertainment company in LA.
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No, you don’t. Shhhh.
I haven’t used Windows in years, but it’s kind of funny to remember because my Linux machines take at most 5 minutes to update (even with a hundred packages to update), and only require a restart if something important happens, and even in that case I can postpone the reboot.
Good luck anyway!
Windows machines frequently do updates without a reboot nowadays and you can usually postpone an update to a more convenient time.
The problem is that when an update that requires a restart is waiting, it changes the standard restart button into one that does an update and restart. You can often fall into muscle memory and accidentally trigger an update.
When combined with the fact that you quite often get problems that go away with a reboot you can easily get yourself into OP’s position where they’re waiting for an update to finish at a really inconvenient time.
Nowadays, a lot of Linux distributions like Ubuntu, for example, will do an update and then tell you that you should reboot, even if a reboot isn’t strictly necessary. You can still ignore and postpone, but I think most users will see this as very similar to Windows.
Except for the fact that you can still use your computer while it’s updating. And it only takes one reboot (which takes the same amount of time as any other reboot) to apply the updates. And you have to actually tell your computer that you want to reboot. It’s really not like windows at all.
Not even doing an A/B partition kexec update scheme with VM live migration for all critical services??
Oh wait I’m a stereotype
remember because my Linux machines take at most 5 minutes to update
I keep kicking myself because I’m using fedora Kinoite on my slowest machine. It’s going to get arch eventually, but for now it’s just annoying whenever I go to use it for a few minutes until it finishes the update.
Seriously, this right here is why I stopped using windows for work and switched to linux for professional reasons. Windows is not serious business software because of shit like this.
Hell, this is why I went out of my way to make sure I could control updates for my personal machine where the only consequences of it doing a random update would be that I can’t use it until it’s done. I didn’t even ever have it actually do an annoying update because the frustration was obvious as soon as I heard the term “automatic updates”, like this isn’t just for some program, it’s for the OS itself and will demand restarts.
And that isn’t even mentioning the undesirable updates, like the buggy ones or the ones that just enshitify your OS rather than add anything anyone wants, like all those windows 7 “get ready for windows 10” ones and apparently some people even got an automatic “7 to 10” update.
And then on Linux, every part of updating is nicer, other than the supply chain attacks (which is unfortunately serious enough I could see it threatening the entire Linux ecosystem itself).
Nice that you work at a place that allows that. Self employed?
There are a lot of places that allow Linux in a business/corporate environment
IT guy here. When you finally can respond or join the meeting, make sure you cover yourself in feathers from a pillow and blame a duck gang for your misfortune.
You can install Linux in 5
And then spend an hour trying to get the presentation to run the way you made it. I love Linux, but installing Linux here in this time sensitive situation is definitely not the move for someone who has Windows already installed and their presentation completed and saved, presumably because they don’t know enough about Linux to confidently switch over completely. Some will probably be able to get out of that situation unscathed, but not most.
I don’t think they were genuinely expecting the person to install Linux instead of waiting for an update to finish
And yet, they would still be more likely to pull off the presentation in Linux if it’s literally not possible in Windows 😉
4…
Nice.
Nice
Nice
Linux.
Or literally any other OS than Windoze.
In 15 minutes? WOW!
You could probably boot a live USB and transfer your presentation to it in that time.
Problem is you need a live USB stick…
Make one right now. Stick it on your keychain. Then you will be prepared to at least boot into Linux on a moment’s notice. Should probably also have a look around and figure out how to show a presentation on there or do whatever you might need to suddenly do there.
Or well just have Linux installed in the first place. Preferably NixOS because you can just roll back to a previous configuration if something goes wrong.
LiveUSB of any distro should be up and running in 2 mins max.
I know there are large organisations where the laptops are configured to also update their firmware when users are trying to get out the door at the end of the day and the outsourced ICT teams couldn’t care less.
Microsoft continues to be the best advocate for migrating to Linux.
If you’re forced to use Windows, you can minimise the amount of disruption from updates by remembering:
- they’re only released on Tuesdays, so you can make sure you get several days without interruption by installing them on Wednesdays
- there’s a pause updates for seven days button in Settings that you can use if there’s a Tuesday between now and when you’re going to definitely need the computer to be available
It’s much easier to plan around them when you know when they’re coming.
I don’t know if OP says this anywhere, but if it’s a company laptop then MAYBE updates are whenever IT feels like it… And you cannot pause updates unless IT feels like offering that to you… AND only for particular updates…
I know you’re not trying to be mean IT but sometimes you hurt me
Managed corporate computers give IT departments control over when updates are released to users and installed. They’re usually later than the MS schedule to give more time for testing. Good departments will follow some sort of regular predictable schedule, but bad ones can just drop updates randomly.
Not only this, but Windows as a whole doesn’t force you to restart until you hit the 7-day mark after the update was installed(unless you have the idle reboot setting on). So you have a whole seven days after installing your update to restart on your own time. That way it isn’t restarting in the middle of your presentation.
Windows 11 26H2 is actually a bit better with this anyway… it hangs on to updates that need reboots (instead of installing them straight away), so you only have to do an update-reboot once a month.
I think you can pause updates for longer as well. It might even be indefinitely but I’ve never bothered to look into it.
“I’m afraid I can’t let you do that”
I use to have this and other sounds from 2001 as system sounds.
I should do that, that sounds fun
