I know of AerynOS and Chimera Linux but AerynOS still in alpha and have suffered a few issues with Kwin and I am just not technical or dedicated enough to setup something like Chimera Linux.

I know some might say this is a losing battle and you can never 100% sure of something did not use AI but I try my best to find things that promise no AI, plus, I want to support some of them monetarily so they continue getting developed.

Maybe also being into gaming does not help my case T-T

    • Infrapink@thebrainbin.org
      17·
      17 days ago

      I tried installing NetBSD yesterday and it defeated me. Wifi seems to have been the issue. Installing BSD is what Windows people think installing Linux is like.

      Please do not construe this post as impugning on the skill or morality of BSD developers. BSD gets way less funding and resources than Linux so their devs can’t cover everything. I’d like to try again some time, but maybe try practicing with a virtual machine before I do it for real.

      • grue@lemmy.world
        8·
        17 days ago

        Please do not construe this post as impugning on the skill or morality of BSD developers. BSD gets way less funding and resources than Linux so their devs can’t cover everything.

        I’ll impugn their morality: their lack of funding is a direct result of them insisting on getting cucked with permissive licensing instead of copyleft. They explicitly condone abuse, so of fucking course abusers take advantage without giving back!

        If you want respect, protect the users.

    • bugbear@lemmy.sdf.org
      4·
      17 days ago

      I second this, I switched from Linux, but I think if I need to run Linux on a macnien again in the future I’d probably go with Gentoo.

    • grue@lemmy.world
      3·
      17 days ago

      or consider escaping to something like NetBSD.

      Lack of copyleft licensing is even worse than AI slop.

      • sinza@piefed.socialEnglish
        5·
        17 days ago

        The policy doesn’t seem to be a full ban on AI within the distribution’s infrastructure, permitting some usage such as for translation and for research.

        For anything else, this would be a mild annoyance to me.

        For a Linux distribution, not fully banning AI is a dealbreaker for me due to the direction that the Linux kernel is going. Thus the resistance that a Linux distribution does against AI must be stronger for me to consider it, especially when there are other Unix-like OSes that have less AI-generated code due to not using the Linux kernel.

        This line of thinking also helps me narrow down Linux distributions to recommend.

        • muhyb@programming.dev
          3·
          17 days ago

          I see. Translation part is fine in my opinion but I too am not so sure about the research part and it can lead to something wrong even though the code is not written by it in the first hand.

          • sinza@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            16 days ago

            Makes sense to me. As I said, I’d find this a mild annoyance (at worst even!) if this weren’t a Linux distribution. Could (theoretically anyways) be fine enough for OP though.

            • muhyb@programming.dev
              2·
              16 days ago

              Yeah, we’re in a pickle and I don’t like this at all. The core problem is kernel itself though and no distro has enough menpower to maintain a no-AI kernel on parallel. I don’t want to imagine how things will be 20 years later at this rate.

        • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          17 days ago

          Yea, that list is painting a fairly bleak picture.

          Linux kernel and all BSD are basically “lost”, which means FOSS OSs are basically lost. Arch, gentoo and Elementary (and Asahi, interestingly) seem like notable exceptions against the grain, but they are just distros.

          Not sure where anti-computing is supposed to be from here?

          Honestly, organising around a hard fork of a kernel and committing as a collective seems the only viable way … but we sure as hell know that’s not going to happen.

          • mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works
            5·
            16 days ago

            I hate AI, the way it is generally being used, and the harm it is causing to society, our environment, our cognitive abilities. All of that said, it is difficult to be a purist. You just do your best and when it comes to operating systems, that is especially true. What I value most in an operating system is privacy, security, and ease of use (mostly just works). So for me, I need to find that in a distro with an AI use policy I can live with. That’s a sliding scale, not all or nothing. Factoring in that alternative OSes might be worse on the AI front or less useful out of the box, and I’m just staying put for now. If an alternative can compete on those fronts, I’ll consider switching.

  • dusk@piefed.socialEnglish
    11·
    17 days ago

    Redcore (gentoo based), installs via calamares
    https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redcore

    Some links on the subject:

    https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

    https://codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index

    https://www.newinlinux.com/ai-free-linux-distros-open-source-operating-systems/

    https://noailist.org/

    https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware/

    https://slopscan.ava.pet/

    https://drewdevault.com/weird-guys/

    • ian@yoneda.functor.town
      3·
      17 days ago

      I didn’t know about Redcore, looks like a pretty neat easy onboarding for the Gentoo madness. Thanks for the link.

      • dusk@piefed.socialEnglish
        2·
        17 days ago

        I have it installed, but haven’t played with it much. Booted into it yesterday to update it, it “fetched” approx 600 packages and then failed to update/upgrade due to something to do with signatures, I walked away (need to look into wtf happened). Can’t even view their forum without registering.

        I also booted into my installation of bluestar just to update it, approx 400 packages, restarted and it deleted the panel on my 2nd monitor (not the end of the world, but…)

        My main distro is installed on one drive, I have space partitioned for another 4 distros on another drive, just to play around with over time to see if they make sense, and if they have issues, or something changes with their devs choices, or surfaces about their political leanings, ai etc. It’s a never ending story, I still don’t have a back up distro that I am completely happy with.

        My main (manjaro) just works, it is very user friendly and logical, but they have no statement about ai…

  • sinza@piefed.socialEnglish
    10·
    17 days ago

    Regrettably, I don’t think there’s a good middle ground distribution that’s anti-AI. It’s either very technical distributions like Chimera and Gentoo or opinionated distributions geared towards newcomers like elementary OS or more specialized distributions like Nura (formerly postmarketOS) that are explicitly anti-AI.

    I think your best bet would be to go with elementary OS, honestly. It uses its own DE, Pantheon, rather than KDE, but I think it’s easily your least worst option. I’ve never used it extensively myself, however.

    Of course, I also am obligated to mention that the Linux kernel is extremely pro-AI. However, an anti-AI Linux distribution is leagues better than using, say, Windows when it comes to AI.

    That being said, here’s a list of distributions known to be affected by AI as well as those that are anti-AI.

  • MissingGhost@lemmy.ml
    7·
    16 days ago

    With the current state of things, if a software distribution includes Linux, it includes AI assisted code. Maybe something like NetBSD? I’m not even sure if anything is AI free anymore.

  • red_tomato@lemmy.world
    4·
    16 days ago

    It’s a losing battle.

    Projects that seem to take a clear anti-AI stance today can change their stance in the future. Linus went from being kinda AI-cautious to AI-pilled in the span of a year. I’ve seen the same with today AI-pilled coworkers who just one year ago were AI-skeptic.

    An operating system also consists of many different parts made by different people, each having their own stance with regards to AI use. It’s impossible to keep a track how all of these projects change their stance over time.