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    Comes off racist if youre scared to use the word black for describing the color of a thing to someone who is black. Black isnt a bad word but you’re thinking of its negative connotations applied to people by racists.

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      Reminds me of The Office joke where Michael asks Oscar what his ethnicity is and Oscar says “Mexican” and Michael says “There’s gotta be a better word to use than that”.

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        Also the bit in 30 Rock.

        “It’s not because you’re a… uh, what do you call yourself?”

        “A Puerto Rican.”

        “No, I know you can say that, but what do I call you?”

        “A Puerto Rican.”

        “Wow… that does not sound right.”

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      Calling a black object “black” = Does not offend.

      Calling your car’s late ignition timing “retarded” = Does not offend.

      Calling your dog a “bitch” = Does not offend.

      Calling your rooster a “cock” = does not offend.

      Calling a tied bundle of sticks for burning a “removed” = Does not offend.

      Just follow your friendly dictionary and you’ll be fine.

      Also: Hi mods. You’re probably here because of your word filter.

      Edit: Something replaced “f-a-g-g-o-t” with “removed” automatically. I’m going to leave it because it’s hilarious that bundled sticks are forbidden.

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          That’s literally fascist propaganda. Fasces is Latin for a bundle of sticks and that was the image of strength that Italian fascists were trying to evoke.

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        Oh, so there is an automated censoring system in place. I thought people were saying removed en lieu of re-tard on Lemmy on whichever instance I was visiting. Kind of like how people use unalive.

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            Fuck off. Writing about how and why faggot is a slur is a legitimate use. Informing who used the term faggot in a degenerative way is a legitimate way to use it. Writing about the history of the word faggot also is.

            Censorship sucks.

            Automated Censorship is stupid and dangerous.

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              It’s not that I just want to use slurs. I’m… um… principled! That’s the ticket! Stopping me from saying slurs is a moral hazard. What if I were a historian and this were a conversation about the history of the slur?? It’s not… but if I can construct a pretext then… uh… stop woke! DEI!

              Don’t you understand there are categories of inferior people, and we need to be vile to them???

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                English isn’t my native language. Hard-R is that retard?

                I fear that refusing to use those words even in a educational sense is rewriting history a bit.

                It’s weird how americans who been all over the Internet claiming germany has no free speech because gloryfication of the Nazis is forbidden.

                Yet it was always fine to write that heil hitler was a common greeting of people who brutally murdered millions.

                While writing that fuckwit racists used the term nigger to put themselves over other humans is now frowned upon

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                I like to think of slurs as one of those, “we have freedom of speech but also you are not free from consequences for what you say,” sorta things. So, yeah, go ahead and say it if you want to, but don’t be a bitch about it if people tell you to fuck off or call you a Nazi.

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              If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)?

              If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves. That’s a way of letting them controlling language.

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            Yeah, in the UK you might bum a fag. Which, now that I write it out, can mean something very different.

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      I think the crack about Spanish is because the Spanish word for “black” is “negro.” But it is also not pronounced the same way as racist southerners say it. Spanish uses a short E, where as rednecks insist on saying it “neeegro,” perhaps in the hopes that it’ll make them taller. So don’t do that.

      The peanut gallery will win no points for guessing that the origin of the n-word is a mutation and/or corruption of “negro” and its various permutations in the other Romance languages that white people were all dragging with them across the Atlantic, all of which are just the words for the color black. For instance, in Latin it’s the even closer “niger,” single G.

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      So decades ago I worked at a bike shop and some college students came in. One of them was black, everyone else in the shop was white. She sat down on a bike, that was all black with dark grey lettering. And I said “this bike looks great, I love the black on black look.” Everyone looked at me funny, she immediately got off the bike, and i literally died inside and froze up.

      20 years later and i still think about this.

      Also I should note that it was not the first time I used that phrase for that bike - when you work sales you end up with little automatic narratives that you barely think about.

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      The implication I got from the comic imo is that the person is going to ridiculous lengths to appear anti-racist

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        Ehhh, context and tone can go a long way.

        In a neutral context, absolutely. I’ve heard people use saying it as an attack in some vile ways.

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        That’s a method of preparing. It means make an espresso shot and add water. Which is different than “normal” coffee where you pour all the hot water through the grounds at once.

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            The story goes that American troops in Europe in WWII didn’t like the concentrated bitterness of espresso so they added water to make it closer to drip coffee, and it’s named after them.

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      Nah, most places it’s called “café negro”, and it’s fine. “Negro” refers to the color, and there’s nothing intrinsically racist about that word.

      If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)? If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves.

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    Was in an anti-racist training event for work and the man running the meeting told us a story about this time his white friend’s son referred to him as “Black” and the white dad gets all embarrassed. He scolds his son and then apologizes to his friend. Dude just goes, “it’s okay. I know I’m Black. There’s no need to try and hide it.”

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    This seems more offensive than just saying “coffee, black”.

    Never bothered Jeanway or Tuvok. :V

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      “What would Janeway do?” is a great way to navigate through life.

      I am not being sarcastic in the slightest.

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      Yeah but Tuvok is trained to stuff his emotions deep inside where they can fester and explode depending on the needs of the episode.

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    Treating people differently specifically because of their race, whatever action that is, is racism. Just talk to them. They’re an individual first and foremost.

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      Nope. You can’t define a term in reference to itself. There are no races except those that racism defines. You therefore cannot treat people differently based on their race without racism being present before the treatment. Therefore, treating people differently based on race cannot be the definition of racism.

      Abstract racism, which doesn’t really exist except for in apologia, is a system by which we categorize humans into groups by phenotype.

      But none of us have ever experienced abstract racism. We all know and have experience with one historical phenomenon called Racism, and that is European Racism. European Racism was developed by the European elite in order to divide humanity into categories that they could use to justify their domination and enlist the non-elite of their society in defending, supporting, and spreading the dominance of those elite.

      That racism is the racism Europeans exported all over the world through violent dominance, subjugation, colonialism, and neocolonialism.

      Once you understand that, it becomes obvious that we are require to treat people differently based on which racial category our society assigns to them, because the harm they experience from our society is informed by that racial categorization. If you don’t treat them differently at all, then you are failing to acknowledge the harm they have experienced and therefore cannot possibly approach justice.

      It would be like a doctor saying we can’t give people different treatments based on the form of illness they have because that would be a form of unequal treatment.

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        I’m too tired for this shit at seven in the morning, just give me a black god damned coffee 😠

        /j

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      I know what you mean, but this is also essentially the same rhetoric that actual racists use to refute good policies like DEI. Diversity is a good thing, and I’m not sure you can achieve it by letting everyone self-police their behavior towards someone of a different race. Racism simply exists in our culture whether or not people are aware of it, so we need policies that counteract it.

      Maybe a more persuasive way of saying the same thing: if you agree that some ethnicities or social demographics are historically disadvantaged and need more help than others, why would you not try to focus policy to prioritize their needs? It’s similar to making policy that reduces child suffering at the expense of some freedoms for adults.

      That said, I also believe it’s good to try making policy that doesn’t explicitly target specific races if possible. For example, strengthening workers’ rights in general improves the lives of an entire economic class, and coincidentally it would disproportionately help Black and Mexican people (per capita).

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    Black isn’t a bad word lol, but last I saw a mercworks comic was the mid 2010s so ¯\(ツ)/¯

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    I recently had a similar experience. I was playing Codenames Duet in public, and because of their color, I had always referred to the “assassin” squares as “black.” So I suddenly realized I was out in public talking about how I was trying to “avoid the blacks.”

    From the context, I’m sure there was no confusion, but regardless, I thought it was a good idea to look up the correct name, “assassin,” and try to start using that word instead of “black.”

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      I play a card game called Spitzer, where one of the rules is that the holders of the two black queens end up on a team. It is incredibly common to say things like “you beat the blacks”, etc. Context is everything.

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        Since Spitzer is definitely of German origin, there’s an easy solution. Instead of saying “You beat the blacks,” you can simply say, “Du hast die Schwarzen besiegt.”