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Ignore the apathetic doomers. Voting requires little effort for most. A lot of places support early voting.
Go do it. At a minimum they HEAVILY impact your local communities. Even if you don’t think they impact the larger USA.
It takes SUCH minimal effort its insane people dont do it.
Early voting makes it the easiest. For some reason, a lot of people wait to vote the day of and stand in line forever…
Right or mail in,though idk how much I really trust mail in.
use a drop box rather than the US Postal Service if possible
Yeah, for me it was a nice evening walk with my wife to our nearest one. And no chance of failure to deliver.
I trust it kinda. CO mails out ballots. The entire process send you updates to email or text, your choice.
I do drop my ballot at a dedicated ballot drop box instead of mailing though.
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Yeah, I’ve voted every general election and primary since I was allowed. There’s more that needs to be done: education, convincing friends and neighbors, protest, and yes revolution, I’ve done most of those too.
But voting is the bare minimum duty of citizens in a democracy. I’ve spent hours in line to vote, it’s nothing compared to my mom who was a regular poll worker. I actually find in person voting nice, but living in the PNW where it’s mail first I do think every state should adopt a process of sending every registered voter their ballot. Either way, vote early or on time, by mail or in person, however you do it, do it.
If you refuse to vote for any reason, I firmly disagree with your decision, but at least send in a blank ballot.
Voting is easier than revolution, but we still need both.
No, voting serves as pressure relief against the revolution, its what the capitalists want you to do
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Yes, imperialist Amerikkka needs to crash and burn so a proper revolution can rise up, liberal
so a proper revolution can rise up
So Russia/China can take advantage of the power vacuum, you mean.
and don’t forget so millions of people can die for their aggrandized, high-minded ideas they post to lemmy with literally no path for implementation
2 anti-imperialist nations, how horrible.
Ah yes, world famous anti-imperialist country Russia, which never invades other countries. What are the nukes for, you may ask? Scientific purposes only of course.
anti-imperialist
lol
Yeah keep this up. You’re super good at articulating your position in a calm, thoughtful way. I can see it convincing a lot of people.
It appears to just keep crashing and burning harder, with no limit in sight.
Voting for establishment politicians yes. If everyone voted 3rd party they’d have to do some real gymnastics to hold onto power and that would seriously undermine people’s faith in the system
It annoys me that “lowering the cost of gas” Is top of the list. I see so many adds just about that too. I really don’t care about the cost of gas; what I do care about is universal healthcare and an end to the genocide
It’s the one thing that tangibly affects the uninformed median voter. Everything else can be ignored or blamed on immigrants or something, but paying like $20 extra at the pump every week is right in their face.
I’m honestly not sure that voter exists. I feel like democrats will spend billions to win “undecided voters”; rather than just doing the popular things their base wants.
I do plan on voting fully democratic; but I get so frustrated with the party. If they just embraced DSA policies; they’d wipe the floor with republicans at a fraction of the cost
I can assure you that that voter exists. The General6 public is extremely uninformed/misinformed about politics and what’s actually happening. Gas prices, food prices, and the constant stream of ICE nazis murdering citizens are what the general public sees and understands.
Think you should get out more. I know plenty of people that would balk at half the things DSA wants. Not everything theyre afraid of makes sense but seriously, this wouldn’t be the easy sell you think in my experience.
If they just embraced DSA policies;
Part of the problem is that Americans have been conditioned for generations to be scared of the mere mention of that “S” word.
I am currently reading Anti-Fascist Economics by Isabella Weber and it talks about how fascist politicians exploit prices of essential goods and badly functioning social systems to push a fascist ideology as a change from the status quo.
The fascists will also work with neo-liberals to ensure these trends continue which make the public more susceptible to their propaganda and the proposed solutions to the issues that they helped create.
Like it or not, the price of eggs and gas actually influenced people to vote for Trump, and that was the plan.
This is so true. Like the problem isn’t the cost of eggs; it’s the fact that small farms are being squeezed out by corporations.
Similarly, the cost of gas isn’t the real issue. It’s that we are still so heavily reliant on fossil fuels. And the war with Iran isn’t bad because of gas prices; it’s bad because we are spending billions fighting a war on behalf of a genocidal apartheid regime.
High gas cost disproportionally affects the poor more than anyone. The rich can buy electric or newer more efficient Cars. The poor generally drive 20 year old cars that get under 20 mpg.
The rich can buy electric or newer more efficient Cars. The poor generally drive 20 year old cars
Cars are far from the only thing that is impacted by increasing petroleum prices.
Literally every product in your house (including in your pantry) was moved by a diesel powered truck at some point. Most of it was also moved by a diesel powered train as well. And a petroleum fueled cargo ship.
Yep totally
My local, indie tire shop isn’t happy with his prices, but the customers understand and are forgiving.
Its easy for me now. Vote D all the way down. Dont even need to research candidates. A vote for R is a vote for fascism.
You vote for a corporate sponsored party without so much as considering the positions of the people you’re voting for? Yikes.
Yeah. If youre an R in this climate youre a peice of shit, far as I’m concerned.
My state is deep red anyway so it won’t matter a lot.
So you’re doing exactly the same thing that people who blindly support Republicans are doing?
No, rebel. Resistance is the only way. Refuse to obey the oligarchs and their slavery. This is the way whether you like it or not. Continuing to play pretend in their system and you achieve nothing.
I think its hilarious when people apply for a permit to protest, then show up and sing songs. Not a single person in power gives it a second thought, it make zero people uncomfortable.
You first.
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Yes? Many forms of direct action benefit the participant, like joining a union.
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If you’re going that far back, then I’m enjoying the 40 hour workweek won by unions.
For future reference, Pratai@piefed.ca was arguing against the efficacy of unions, went with personal attacks, and then deleted all his comments.
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It seems you’re only convinced by anecdotes.
Edit: I invite the reader to consider if I personally have taken credit for anything.
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Vote like your life depends on it.
Because it does.
No it doesn’t
If you think you’re not in danger because your rights aren’t currently on the chopping block, enjoy your privilege while it lasts. You’re not safe, you’re just in line.
Or I was always in line and voting blue doesn’t change that. Privilege is not being in the sights of at least one of the parties
Are these on the ballot? The only thing that will happen on this list if the dems win big is that the GOP will have less power. The Democrats have had the ability to pass all of this before, and chose not to. In fact, they built up a lot of what people oppose now.
Revolution is necessary because the capitalist state itself is not neutral, but a product of the existing economic system and the social relations therein.
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No? I’m posting a bit less than I normally do, actually, and I’m not paid to be a socialist, I pay dues to be one. Can you take your conspiracy theory somewhere else, or perhaps validate it with anything other than vibes?
What makes you think that revolution will make things better?
Because worker revolution consistently improves the lives of the working class around the world. It’s a necessary step to move forward.
Sorry, I shouldn’t have led with such an open question. What i meant to say was what makes you think that it will be a workers revolution? Could the rich or the religous not hijack the revolution to further their own ends?
The rich already control the state, they don’t need a revolution to do so. More workers than ever support socialism in the US, and socialist organizing is rising.
Revolution is the only thing that has led to improved material conditions, even in the United States. Did you fall asleep during history class, or has it been so whitewashed and sanitized at this point that people don’t even know their own history?
Haha, so the various colour revolutions made life better? The Iranian revolution has seen them move ahead in leaps and bounds? You have no idea if your side will come out on top
Some material conditions improved, yes. Overall, no. The mass movement against the Shah was successful but the working class failed to control power for various reasons, to put it succinctly.
Do you believe that the Capitalists, bourgeoisie, and fascists will just give you rights and an improved life out of the goodness of their heart? This has never happened. Working class power threatens the system, and if threatened, Capitalism will attempt to squash that working class power.
People think there’s some golden age of Capitalism which is progressive and bends to the will of the people. This is a fantasy, and has never existed ever in history.
I do believe things can change at the ballot box. Countries have come into existence through a vote, treaties have been made and broken there as well. Not saying violence hasn’t made a positive difference, but once you start using violence, you lose control of the process and the revolution you envisioned can be taken over
This is a whitewashed view of history.
Fucks sake, just say that it’s not true because it doesn’t match what you read in your Hadiths
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Sure is easy, go and vote and tell the friendly people you know to as well. The only thing you would lose by voting is up to 4 hours towards your revolution preparation.
Remember, that the USA has to be ready to mobilize, should the Republicans try to mess with the transfer of power process between November and January.
Put up or shutup.
Apathy posting isn’t “doing something”. It’s doing nothing while trying to claim your intelligence is that much greater than those that DO want change.
You should go vote. It takes very little time/effort. Heres a link to help you.
https://www.vote.org/polling-place-locator/
Then, if you have other things that you want to do to effect change, you can do those too
thats a really long way to say you dont care to read about the indigenous and what they have to say about the ongoing genocide that you so desperately want to legitimize
I read it. The whole thing. It’s flowery language and apathy. It’s edgy with no edge.
Colonization happened HUNDREDS of years before me. I want to be better. I want a system that is better. What are you doing to make it better?
I’m canvassing. I’m helping my neighbor. I’m voting. I’m pushing others to vote. It’s more than just a federal election. It’s a majority of local stuff on my ballot. I’ve seen the changes those votes make.
My wife volunteers at the food bank. We sell eggs too our neighbors at less than cost.
lmfao of course you think colonization is done and dont realize that its still ongoing. im sure youre also the type who thinks slavery is gone too.
yes you are the person on the right good job
This is so dumb. We can see it in France centrists acting like facists
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Voting wont do anything, you can’t beat the capitalist bourgeois with their own game
It also requires very little effort for most.
Go back to your hidey hole if you’re not going to say something productive.
i sure do love doxxing myself to the state whilst legimitizing an occupying genocidal slave empire to beg for the oppressor who will leave a slightly smaller gaping hole in my chest. anyone who insists we shouldnt waste accumulatively countless dollars and hours for this perfect system should be shunned for asking for me to do anything more.
/s obv.
Which party isn’t owned by billionaires again?
if it worked
(i already voted, assholes.)
