Why should the guy that got away with rape be the same guy to decide what’s fair.
I was reading a story on ‘why are fraternities even still allowed’ and it brought up that every judge talked to about the Stanford case had geek letters in their office from their fraternity, then I remember this legal advice I got once, it went like this 'wait till your trial is appointed a judge, find out what fraternity said judge was in, then look for a lawyer who was also in that fraternity. ’ apparently it’s VERY effective. So yeah… it’s actually really crazy.
I hate that I feel like I should remember this advice.
I’ve heard it works a lot better than silly things like innocence, honesty, integrity, and all THAT horse shit.
That’s put perfectly thanks
To add to that: it’d be really neat if being reported for SA didn’t ruin the abuser’s life but instead fixed whatever is wrong with them so that they don’t come out of prison 10 years later and do it again. Some of these people are pathologically dangerous. They go to prison criminals and come out criminals. Some.
They have them in there for years and do barely anything to change them. They just “store them” there and then let them back out for society to deal with them.
That “abolish prisons” policy, I believe by the US dem-socs, doesn’t sound all that bad when you think about all the different ways prison fails us. Some countries have near 50% overall rates of reoffending.
The whole Defund The Police and Ending Prisons isn’t about doing away with them altogether. The most radical leftist knows that would be stupid. But warehousing criminals, as they get more and more sociopathic/psychopathic, isn’t a healthy system for a healthy society.
People want the visceral satisfaction of a just punishment, but that’s a wasted opportunity. We have a person that has gone down a bad road, and we have the choice of helping them get back on track, or not. Society is improved with the latter, so shouldn’t we adopt that strategy, rather than just punishing?
There are going to be people who are irredeemable, that’s just reality. Serial killers, out-of-control psychopaths, child molesters, etc, can’t be helped, and those people have to be warehoused. But most people can respond to rehabilitation, as prisons in Europe prove. Their recidivism rate is far, far lower than ours.
We have been doing the wrong things for many years, just because they look good in the media, or make ignorant voters feel good. In ALL things, we should be looking at what other nations are doing right, and start adopting those strategies. I’m sick of our country doing stupid shit, just because we’ve always done it that way, and it makes the worst people in America happy.
I remember once seeing a news story where someone who had just gotten out of prison murdered someone. People in the comments were saying he shouldn’t have been let out. How after years in prison, of course he’s going to be dangerous. Gotta love when the tough on crime people accidentally realize the futility of the prison system.
The goal SHOULD be to make criminals into productive members of society. Unfortunately, the actual goal in many places is to make criminals keep reoffending to make more money for the business of incarcerating people. Or sometimes the goal is just to punish, with no thought about the long-term utility. Some people just think some people deserve to suffer and don’t care about the utility for society. It’s the same reason they oppose social safety nets.
Restorative justice, and yeah it’s a very valuable goal
Some people are just born evil. Or they’re born with something broken in their brains that can never be fixed.
Go talk to some teachers. Ask them about the worst of the worst. You’ll hear some stories.
You hear a lot about “the school to prison pipeline,” but there are some kids that you can just look at them and say, “that kid is going to die in prison.” I’m talking about kids that assault their teachers and other students. I’m talking kids that steal, lie, and manipulate people in cruel and vindictive ways. In some cases they make a game out of deliberately creating false allegations of inappropriate behavior on the part of their teachers. They actively seek to destroy lives. I’m talking about kids that go through every program and intervention, that receive every form of support and counseling imaginable. Kids that receive nothing but compassion, caring and understanding…and respond by treating other human beings as disposable garbage fit only for their amusement. It’s a rare kid that is truly this evil, but there are some real monsters out there. Some people are just born evil. There are some people that will simply never see the humanity in other human beings. There is no amount of counseling or coaching that can fix such profoundly broken souls. The best we can do is to warehouse them, to lock them in a place with their own kind, where they’ll never be able to hurt an innocent person ever again.
You cannot teach someone to have empathy. You cannot teach someone to care for other people. You either do, or you don’t.
You cannot teach someone to have empathy. You cannot teach someone to care for other people. You either do, or you don’t.
If they can’t help it, the proper response to them is definitely NOT to treat them like bad little boys who need to be locked away and punished forever while we joke about them getting SA’d in prison.
Evidence for your assertion? Research including meta-analyses of multiple studies shows that empathy is a trainable capacity that can measurably improve through structured education, practice, and social-emotional learning. Schools, workplaces, and medical institutions use specific programs (such as role-playing, active listening exercises, reading literature, and film-based discussions) to boost emotional literacy and perspective-taking. Schools in Denmark set aside one mandatory hour per week for a dedicated class called Klassens Tid (Class Time) for students aged 6 to 16. Problem-Solving & Listening: Rather than focusing on grades or traditional academic subjects during this hour, students sit together to discuss personal or group problems, practice active listening, and find collective solutions to issues like bullying or social exclusion. Around 60% of schoolwork in Denmark is group-based, emphasizing teamwork and supporting peers rather than individual competition. Finland treats empathy as a core competency woven into daily school life rather than a stand alone subject. Students analyze characters’ emotions during reading, mediate their own peer conflicts, and practice emotional resilience through hands-on projects and peer mentoring.
I don’t believe that. Yes, I’m sure you can academically define some quantitative measure of empathy. I’m sure you can put together a scale that will allow you to perform a statistical test on it. But I’m not talking about slightly increasing empathy among normal people. I’m talking about people who are truly psychopaths, those with something broken in their soul.
And the Denmark educational system sounds exactly like the US educational system. We do all that same stuff. If you think K12 education is students sitting in rows listening to lectures, you’re comically out of touch.
I think you replied to the wrong person. I was quoting them.
I’m talking about people who get absolutely every opportunity to learn compassion and empathy for other human beings. Some folks will go through all the trainings you give them, ignore them, and laugh in your face. Some people just don’t give a fuck about you or anyone else. If you can’t recognize that other people have innate value, there’s no helping you.
If you can’t recognize that other people have innate value, there’s no helping you.
You say that about unrepentant criminals, but your attitude demonstrates a lack of recognition of their innate value as people. Really this is an inconsistent, hypocritical worldview to have and I reject it categorically.
No. I don’t reject anyone’s value as a person. But I can also recognize that some people simply do not want or cannot learn to play nice with others. Beyond a certain point, when someone just doesn’t want to change, the best you can do is to keep them from hurting innocent people.
People like you are why teachers end up getting assaulted. Violent kids end up staying in classrooms long past the point they are objectively a threat to everyone around them. Administrators resist expulsion because they think like you do. You recognize the innate value of criminals, but you fail to recognize the innate value of their victims.
Beyond a certain point, when someone just doesn’t want to change, the best you can do is to keep them from hurting innocent people.
Yes, I understand that. My issue is with what seems to be our best solution, which is to consign these people to essentially torture. If they are truly incapable of learning any better, there’s no point in doing anything to them except keep them from harming others, yet we get off on making them suffer.
People like you are why teachers end up getting assaulted.
Go fuck yourself.
And what is your solution, oh wise sage? Some people don’t want to be helped. There is no program or intervention you can do to reach these people. Again, at some point the best you can do is put the needs of the many over the needs of the few and keep the psychopaths from hurting innocent people.
Empathy is the ability to recognize, understand, and share the feelings, thoughts, and experiences of another person while keeping them distinct from your own.
Defining empathy doesn’t even begin to teach someone empathy.
“You will ruin that rapist’s life!”
No, he ruined his own life.
So weird that people want to use this logic for SA, but not for stuff like non-violent drug offenses.
A lot of people can’t read.
This isn’t about false accusations.
It’s not that they can’t read, they’re bringing it up specifically to cast doubt on victims and give plausible deniability for rapists.
It’d be more accurate to say he ruined his life and the life of the person who had to report him for it.
they don’t bring that up for people accused of drug dealing, assault, murder etc nearly as much. almost as if they don’t think rape is a serious crime
I’ve known people who believed their partner was consenting, but were told much later that they committed rape. I knew the ppl well enough to believe they wouldn’t intentionally hurt someone and the accuser didn’t file charges. Maybe one or both, or neither partners in the two couples were lying? But in both cases the accuser + accused remained friends afterward. Should that really be in the same category as violent sexual assault?
Rape is certainly serious but it’s much easier to quantify murder – victim is dead or alive-- than how much of a rape was this rape.
“But you’ll ruin that young man’s life if you report him…”
Good.
I’m fine with this, as long as false charges are just as severely penalized.
If the truth can ruin the perpetrator’s life, then the truth should ruin the accuser’s life when appropriate
You shouldn’t need a conditional like “as long as” anything. You should be fine with it when rapists are penalized, unconditionally. Do better.
Not to mention false charges are already penalized. The point of this is that the true ones ruin the victim’s life too.
I’m all in to ruin convicted rapist that already proven with all required evidence in court regardless of age,race or gender.
It is different from ruining innocent fate of promising youth on baseless accuse.
This is about encouraging victims to come forward. Sexual assault and rape have very low reporting numbers.
Encouraging the victim to come forward should always accompanied with proper channel or organizational help to do so, kinda don’t make sense encouraging them to come forward alone.
Oh no you’ll ruin that person’s life if you report his murders!
I think the point being missed here is that someone’s whole life can get ruined even if they’re innocent.
That is not the point of the post.
Good. Those type of disgusting things who don’t deserve to call themselves men will grow up to become disgusting things like pedo-protecting republikkkans.
Why are people screenshot other social media and post it to social media? What’s next you record your doom scrolling and put it on YouTube?
huh… not a bad idea…
You know, the comments on this thread are a real eye opener.
It’s a simple statement - it’s ok to ruin the life of a rapist.
A lot of questions about false accusations are coming up - they’re good questions, but the folks you’re trying to get to engage are… not the most capable of engaging judging by the evidence this thread suggests.
jokes on you, he could still do it after conviction. does anyone honestly think maga would care? its all but proven at this point for not only the president and they eat it up.
