This makes my blood boil.
Get out.
Chill down dude…
So, who’s the idiot we have to thank for exposing a system to the internet that manages life saving medical supplies.
I mean, Jesus %+^%! Christ, the managers responsible should be tried and jailed for this gross incompetence.
Right?
Fuck these hacker cunts, France has always had a limited supply of blood, people don’t really donate idk why, if it had not been caught fast enough, it could have significantly jeopardized the lives of many people.
But also EXCUSE ME!!! HOW WAS THIS POSSIBLE IN THE FIRST PLACE???
Context: “France’s Health Ministry said staff detected the abnormal temperatures in time and that the incident caused no operational consequences.”
So while this was a serious incident, controls did actually work. The comments here read as if no one is aware of that.
Comment first. Open link maybe. Actually read the article hardly ever.
What a douche move mr.hacker
This was very likely no mr.hacker but Russian hybrud warfare. Causing deaths is the goal.
If it’s the Russians carrying these things out I find this strategy odd. All it does is make the whole population hate you. Which makes it easy for people to get on board to help Ukraine more.
Not really, have those attacks made anyone start to hate Russia, who hasn’t held already negative opinions already?
Yeah I wonder if all the little psychos here will celebrate this like they have been celebrating the obscene waste of food resulting from similar hacks on grocery stores.
Wow. Thats actually fucking evil
Using remotely controllable freezers for storing life saving supplies is indeed evil. Nobody can be so dumb, that must be malice.
It gets worse once you realize that in most cases you heard of in the last weeks there was no actual hack to speak of involved (although a lot of them were unpatched EOL devices, too), but just accessing it with the default password.
So having remotely controllable freezers in the first place isn’t even the beginning of the stupidity involved. They are also often completely unsecured and nobody cares.
Default password kind of indicates that they have not changed the password of the device they put on the internet. Whats actually going on is that someone reverse engineered the firmware, and figured out that the manufaturer has added an extra hidden password that can be calculated from todays date.
I was speaking more broadly about “most cases you heard of in the last weeks”… Yes, in some case it might have been actual hacks involved because basic security was adequate, which also included noticing the issue in time to prevent actual consequences in this specific case.
You’d think people would have more care for critical stuff like blood supply.
Nobody can be so dumb
Have you not met average humans?
Fucking evil
How the FUCK do you get above boiling temps in a freezer with no additional hardware?
It is the selected temperature to maintain as much as it can. It can only freeze therefore it will just stop working and the temperature will rise to room temperature. If the room would be on fire it would possibly turn on the freezer before it would burn to maintain this healthy 100°C.
People should learn to not put things on the open Internet and how a thermostat works. When you have AC and you will set your thermostat to 17°C it is dumb if you really just want 21°C. It will not cool air any faster and it will overshoot if it can and if it is not able to reach 21°C it will not reach it if you set 17°C either.
Why
Modern warfare. Russia is probably behind it. They recently did the same to supermarket freezers in Sweden
I think the question is rather: why the fuck would you connect these things to the internet?
There we go. Why is this possible at all, in any sense
Russian hackers or even Russia as a country could be behind it, but also, as security on these devices is apparently an afterthought at best, it could be Lars from Stockholm or Marie from some small french village.
But it doesn’t really matter. The real question is that who the fuck connected these things to the public internet in the first place. Also one should ask why these were still on the internet even if every news outlet covered the previous attacks and why management didn’t bother to get off their arse and at least ask from some IT person if their fundamentally unsecure things are still connected.
The real question is that who the fuck connected these things to the public internet in the first place.
Honestly, I didn’t care when a few supermarkets got hit by their own stupidity. That our blood conserves are handled with the same care as fucking frozen shrimps is just horrifying.
The recent attack in Sweden, was small supermarket stores - Which doesn’t have the resources/knowledge to fix their issue. Given ICA is a franchise model, the main IP holder should however extend this knowledge to all of their franchise takers imo
Of course they do. They need networking for payment processing, orders, finance tracking, surveillance camers and all the other stuff and they hired someone to set up those as well. Sure, they don’t have dedicated IT person in house, but they don’t have plumber or electrician either.
Atrributing this kind of damage on systems that are plainly evident on shodan with a well known secret to state sponsored malicious actors is giving them way too much credit. This could be a 10 year old with a shell script and VPN.
When it comes out that all these networks are deeply compromised as a result of easy lateral movement from the freezer to the domain controller, then I’ll agree it’s possibly state sponsored.
Putin’s Razor: Never attribute to self-own that which could easily be blamed on Russia.
Next it’ll be fridges falling out of windows by accident.
wasnt it france a few weeks ago.
Ok. Maybe all that is true, but also this is not a thing that should be possible and blaming other people for your utter lack of care or planning is not really something you get to do.
Because someone was stupid enough to think that having a remotely controllable defrost/disinfect feature on a medical grade freezer was a good idea.
Then someone was stupid enough to think that buying such equipment was a good idea.
Then someone was stupid enough to think that connecting those freezers to a network was a good idea.
Levels after levels of criminally stupid decisions.
Because people are f***ing idiots.
Getting a remotely accessible freezer sounds dumb, but you can save money because now you don’t need to pay someone to check and document the temperature for compliance reasons anymore.
Not securing that device at all sounds really stupid, but it saves you money to not pay someone to actually set the devices up properly. Bonus points: anyone even midly competent would have told you that remote control instead of just read access for temperature logging is incredible stupid. And then you would need to spend money on better devices after already having paid someone for competent advice. Better save that money.
Speaking of mildly competent people you don’t want to pay… They would also have told you beforehand that a limited time-frame in which you still get security patches for your devices is a stupid idea, too. But hey… buying the product with only 10 years or so guaranteed support saves you –again– money today.
And let’s be honest. After your device reached EOL you are not actually replacing it anyway. You didn’t care about basic security before, so what’s the problem now with unpatched devices not getting any support anymore? After all they still cool things without costing any additional money…
Wow… look at all the savings. That will totally get you a bonus. One you will definitely not need to pay back after everything went to shit because you are an idiot.
The average person is completely oblivious when it comes to computer security
Have they considered turning the Wi-Fi off?
Let me guess: The freezer was using Danfoss hardware with a default password?
Who ever came back to check and see must have gotten a fever of a hundred and three!
Every type o’ negative Nancy will be positive that connecting your fridge to the net is a negative
