yea maybe its just my mind self protecting. I just do not want to believe that these people are real. Maybe.

Or. CIA 👈 yess. That’s much more reasonable. ;)

I thought about this for a bit now.

Aren’t many of the lemmy.ml tankies from the US? Maybe this has a reason. Because, tbh, now after thinking this through again: I have met similar people in Germany. But there is a huge difference with most of them. 99% of the time they were huge newcomers to the scene. Didn’t read yet, didn’t learn much yet. But the only big experience they had until now was the realization that they were lied to their entire lives. That the entire worldview from this system they grew up with is against their interest. Getting such a huge break in your thinking is crazy, and its hard to work with that. Speaking from experience.

So many fresh communists quickly fall into the logical trap that if the West told them so many lies, they start to think that everything they learned was wrong. And if the east is this big counterplayer of the west, then they are probably good!

Here though, it’s easy to then connect with other like-minded people. Talk with them about your findings. And by connecting with much more long-year experienced people, learning from them, starting to read, and getting stuff explained. They slowly find ground again. They quickly realize that the world is really complicated and not a movie script. There isn’t the good and the bad site.

I think in the US it’s probably much, much harder for new ones to find good connections, good sources, and overall trustworthy people. It’s the home country of the Red Scare, after all. The USA would never let an actual communist organization grow and teach on their ground. There are really few organizations, and most of them are likely highly invaded by state agents. So most of the people probably stay on the web or in tiny groups. Have not much old structure to build on, and welp… are on their own.

And this way it’s so easy for them to get even more confused over time. Some of them are so confused that they now even support MAGA while calling themselves communists. That’s crazy. Just confusing people and spreading false information is much easier than trying to forbid them completely. You can’t forbid an idea. Letting them think that they are allowed to freely think whatever they want and then just confuse them into uselessness is much more effective and takes out every danger of communists for the state. It also makes them way harder to grow because outsiders just see crazy people.

So yes: They probably aren’t all trolls. I was wrong for assuming that. It also was a logical error. It’s likely more a result of over a hundred years of red scare. Showing, the capitalists sadly did a great job. These people actually believe in what they say. Not trolls. They just got confused into this useless mess. And that’s just sad.

Just a fresh speculation of me tho. At the end of the day, we never know. We don’t know these people. Maybe its what I just said. Maybe its trolls. Maybe even bots. Most likely a combination of everything plus some more factors we don’t see.