• Ephera
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    13311 months ago

    My bet is on beeswax for the non-vegan ingredient.

    • @SanderTuit@lemmy.world
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      4711 months ago

      You would be right. I have the same packs. I don’t know if I bought old stock, but I bought the pack with the blue lid recently, the black lid pack is older.

      The black lid pack contains bee wax and more water than the blue lid pack (64% vs 57% of the natural ingredients).

          • @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            711 months ago

            Not sure how Wool exploits animals, shearing sheep is good for their health as I understand it (keeping them from growing things, or getting too heavy/waterlogged to move and just… laying there and dying, amomgst other things.)

            • @moody@lemmings.world
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              3011 months ago

              Sheep are selectively bred for their wool. Before humans started doing so, wild sheep did just fine without the need for shearing. So it’s pretty similar to milk in that if you don’t milk a modern dairy cow it will suffer, that doesn’t make milk an ethical product.

            • @Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org
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              1511 months ago

              After a few sheers they’re off to the slaughterhouse once the wool quality degrades. The sheering is not for their benefit.

  • @The2b@lemmy.vg
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    4211 months ago

    It’s no longer labeled vegan. A lot of producers actively avoid the label, despite the fact that the Vegan Society would provide their stamp of approval. I’ve heard somewhere putting it on your product lowers sales. All this to say, are you certain it’s actually not vegan anymore?

      • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
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        1011 months ago

        I ran an experiment a few years ago at a party I hosted. I had two trays of Oreos. One labeled ‘Oreos’, the other labeled ‘Vegan Oreos’. Now, Oreos are vegan, but aren’t labeled as such. I had to refill the standard Oreos a couple times throughout the night. The ‘Vegan’ labeled tray ended the night with more than half still there. Vegan definitely plays a role in sales, and not always for the best.

    • partial_accumen
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      611 months ago

      That’s interesting! I also wonder if its a legal shielding technique to abandon the “vegan” label in case one of their upstream suppliers changes without notifying the manufacturer. If you never claim it to be vegan, you’ve in no danger of violation.

      • @The2b@lemmy.vg
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        511 months ago

        Vegan is not a regulated term. Plenty of products that say they are vegan still have animal products, such as honey.

        • partial_accumen
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          311 months ago

          There are people that hold specific definitions of the term “vegan”. If you never use the word, you can never run afoul of anyone’s definition.

    • @MindTraveller@lemmy.ca
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      411 months ago

      The reason the vegan label lowers sales is that smart people already read the product label, so they know it’s vegan either way. Lazy people who don’t like thinking need to be told that something is vegan. Vegans tend to be smart, and vegan-haters tend to hate thinking.

  • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    3311 months ago

    I wouldn’t even be surprised if this is just a shift in marketing. The “Vegan” label, in particular, has fallen out of style as more and more men become obsessed with meat-based diets.

      • @SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
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        1111 months ago

        Keto, paleo, whatever the roid king is doing. The share of people picking that up and going “ew, vegan, it’ll probably turn me into a soy boy” is probably bigger than the share of people who only buy vegan products, OR the savings of cutting those 6% of natural ingredients are worth losing the latter share of buyers. Bottom line is the company’s bottom line.

  • @MadLegoChemist@startrek.website
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    3111 months ago

    It looks like the 91% natural ingredients version has benzyl alcohol as a preservative which is typically synthetically derived and in my experience can drastically shift the bio-based ratio.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the ingredients are the same, but the sourcing of those ingredients could be different which could also shift the naturally derived percentage.

  • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    1211 months ago

    I think you might have gotten old stock when you bought a ‘new’ tin. When I look on their website, it only has the vegan formulation listed, and the ingredients do appear to be derived from non-animal sources.

  • @RBWells@lemmy.world
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    1111 months ago

    You are showing them backwards - the NEW formulation is the one that says vegan. Did you buy the second one at Big Lots or something?

  • @VonReposti@feddit.dk
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    811 months ago

    I was about two make a whole lecture about percentage points but it just so happens it actually is ~6% less in this case.

  • @kandoh@reddthat.com
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    611 months ago

    I save my ear wax and just reuse that for hair paste. You need one of the gyroscope cleaners though to get enough wax.

    • @Muscar@discuss.online
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      1911 months ago

      It’s not 6 fewer ingredients, it’s 6% less of the total being naturally derived.

      It’s hilarious that you made an even dumber error in a try at correcting.

    • irotsoma
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      511 months ago

      I’m not sure that applies here. Generally, when measuring something, you use less. Like I wouldn’t say , I just drank from my glass and it now has fewer waters in it. In this case, “natural ingredients” is a set of things that are being measured as a single “ingredient”. Like let’s say the natural ingredients are soot and berry juice. Would you say the paint has fewer or less soot and berry juice?

      But then again language is all made up, the rules don’t matter, and you’re only truly wrong if the meaning is lost.

        • @Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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          111 months ago

          It depends on context. If you are dealing with a percentage of overall types of ingredients by volume without changing the variety of ingredients you would probably use “less”. Like if you reduced the mix of milk related ingredients. You would use “fewer” to indicate that the number of individual ingredients had changed. Like if they got rid of two of the ingredients of an original ten.

          This could be a category error?

          • @Underwaterbob@lemm.ee
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            111 months ago

            I guess it depends on if it is a case of there having had been 97 of 100 ingredients having been naturally derived and now only 91 of those ingredients are such. Which admittedly seems unlikely.

            • @Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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              I mean it could be using the percentages of another number. Like if there’s 20 ingredients and you drop one it’s a 5% reduction or if you added other non natural ingredients that would cause the percentage to drop… But whether it’s less or fewer would depend on information we don’t readily have because we don’t know if it’s ingredients by volume or of it’s a reformulation of ingredients… and may be at the crux of this grammatical problem depending on what you assume is going on?