Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last week’s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

    • @o7___o7
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      Absolutely unhinged. Are these people from the As-Seen-On-TV dimension where people burn their house down every time they try to fry an egg?

    • @selfA
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      Sometimes you read an article and you think “this article doesn’t want me to do X, but all its arguments against X are utterly terrible. If that’s the best they could find, X is probably alright.”

      that thread is an unholy combination of two of my least favorite types of guys: techbros willfully misunderstanding research they disagree with, and homeopaths

      • @selfA
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        this article doesn’t want me to drink a shitload of colloidal silver, but all its arguments against drinking colloidal silver (it doesn’t do anything for your health, it might turn you blue, it tastes like ass) are utterly terrible. If that’s the best they could find, drinking a shitload of colloidal silver is probably alright.

  • @BlueMonday1984
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    Pulling out a pretty solid Tweet @ai_shame showed me:

    countersneer

    To pull out a point I’ve been hammering since Baldur Bjarnason talked about AI’s public image, I fully anticipate tech’s reputation cratering once the AI bubble bursts. Precisely how the public will view the tech industry at large in the aftermath I don’t know, but I’d put good money on them being broadly hostile to it.

    • Sailor Sega Saturn
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      If you’re against unrestricted genAI then you’re also transphobic

      What. Wait has anyone claimed this? Because that’s absurd.

      • @Soyweiser
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        Considering how much the AI hype feels like the cryptocurrency hype, during which every joke you made had already been seriously used to make a coin and been pumped and dumped already, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

      • @mirrorwitch
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        Dunno but why not, after Nanowrimo claimed that opposing “AI” means you’re classist and ableist. Why not also make objecting be sexist, racist etc. I’m going to be ahead of the curve by predicting that being against ChatGPT will also be a red flag that you’re a narcissistic sociopath manipulator because uhh because abused women need ChatGPT to communicate with their toxic exes /s

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      I suspect it’ll land somewhere above “halitosis” but below “wearing black socks with crocs”

  • @froztbyte
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    what are you folks doing for/with bookmarking? I’ve killed my usage of pinboard because I learned the dude’s going off the deep end

    already found a couple of the link* flavoured open source things, but looking for some practical/lived feedback

    • @mlen
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      Do you actually need to share your bookmarks? I found that bookmarks in Firefox and an RSS reader hosted on my nextcloud are enough for personal use.

      • @froztbyte
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        the sharing part of it is indeed the thing I give the fewest shits about tbh. things I care more about are software choices and longevity. so, for example, fuck anything js/php - by and large those tend to be unserious software that’ll be a nightmare to run even now, and even worse in time

        I should probably do a bit of a sketchdown of the exact shape of my desires here, if for nothing else than giving direction to whatever I may have to write myself. a friend and I have been mutually grumping about this in chat for a while, because our wants are quite close but also just different enough to bounce ideas off each other

    • @maol
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      Oh no, what happened to that dude? He seemed fairly sane from his blog.

    • Mii
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      I honestly just use browser bookmarks. That’s always been enough for me. Firefox can sync them too, so that takes care of backups as well.

      For anything that needs special attention, I create a todo item with the link in org-mode.

      • @froztbyte
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        fair 'nuff

        I keep finding myself in a position of thinking “bah imma have to write this myself, aren’t I”, because nothing I’ve found as yet actually works the way I want things to work :|

  • @gerikson
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    DHH takes a break from racing cars, railing against DEI, and being perhaps the worst boss Denmark has ever produced to engage in some light nerd-washing

    https://world.hey.com/dhh/wonderful-vi-a1d034d3

    Some people on lobste.rs call him out for being terrible but mostly it’s a celebration about how only the smartest, most productive coders use vi/vim or even more hipster modal editors

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      first comment is a masterpiece.

    • @swlabr
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      DHH: today I will RP as a high schooler writing an essay for software class about a program you should use

      full disclosure: I use vim and honestly I don’t even know why anymore. Maybe it’s because I had a brief, trivial interaction with Bram Moolenaar (RIP king) in which he closed a bug that I opened by mistake, and I imprinted on him for some reason.

    • Sailor Sega Saturn
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      Man the Pistol unicode mess has always given me mixed feelings

      Apple indeed lead the design change, but they did it unilaterally without the input of Unicode. So the standard is still saying that the character represents a pistol, and all the fonts are ignoring that to have it a squirt gun instead, so as to be compatible with a specific Apple font rather than compatible with unicode.

      It might have been a mistake for Unicode to introduce Pistol in the first place (I wonder how it was chosen, can’t look that up right now), Pistol apparently came from Softbank, so Unicode was probably including it for compatibility with existing encodings.

      IMO it would have been technologically more sound for UI designers to hide it in a UI or font designers to omit it entirely, than to replace it with another graphic with significantly different meaning. Emojipedia demonstrated the potential for confusion with this cheeky text message example.

      Of course by this point we’re stuck with water gun so Twitter is just needlessly adding to the mess and Unicode should give up and redefine or add errata to the symbol.

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      ‘make it look more badass’

      I’m so tired of that man. I’m rethinking my idea that capitalism is good and this is meritocracy in action.

      E: also just annoyed he went with an 1911, and not something like a Mateba, or the Chiappa Rhino which look futuristic but are real (the barrel is aligned to the bottom cylinder not the top), and fits into the previous patterns of revolver icons.

      E: more on I’m so tired of that man

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        The 1911 is Murican, not some Italian crap

        /s obviously, Italian gunmakers are very good.

        Also it’s really weird how there’s a ton of small-business innovation in American gun gear, but the only ones who seem to be making money are European companies?

        • @selfA
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          the 1911 is perfect for musk because it’s also notorious for throwing fucking ridiculous tantrums. though I’m pretty sure he only chose it cause of action movies and airsoft guns

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    the sum total of luxury ZA coiners’ mettle was measured, and it was found to be extremely lukewarm

    that’s about 60k usd raw. PPI-equiv would be a bit higher (we have really cheap goods compared to US/UK), but I laugh at this number

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      convenience xcancel link

      fucking Mozilla really is going all in on this whole “you can’t trust AI, except when we and our business partners do it” openwashing thing completely unaware of how it looks, huh? like, they’ve pushed AI so hard and violated so much community trust in the process that I can’t imagine this is doing anything but costing them their remaining donors.

      • David GerardMA
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        who is the investor who pushed Mozilla this hard? where the fuck is this coming from?

        all their hiring is AI too

        • @froztbyte
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          haven’t really had the headspace to dig into this but one of my hypotheticals about how this could come to pass is “not enough counter-friction left”. foundations of the guess are: years of ill-advised products, constant killing of worthwhile projects, creep of bayfucker mentality. that shape of thing

          I recall seeing people ringing alarm bells about moz ceo pay like 3~4y ago

          not that the above guess eliminates the thing you’re pointing to, mind you. I agree that this drive has to be coming from somewhere. my stuff was more coming at it from the “why has this suddenly accelerated so much” angle

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            I recall seeing people ringing alarm bells about moz ceo pay like 3~4y ago

            remember when bringing up Mozilla’s financials would get you yelled at by people who needed to see them as a paragon of open source in spite of all evidence to the contrary?

            my personal theory for why it’s accelerating so much is, their board might be doing a Sears[1]. they’re inventing ways to make Mozilla bankrupt because there’s profit in it, and that profit window might be closing rapidly with the antitrust actions against Google coming up. this is all based on vibes though, I’m the polar opposite of an accountant

            [1] see also, doing a Red Lobster. no, endless shrimp isn’t why they’re going bankrupt, why in fuck would it be, of course it’s capitalists

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    Orange site on pager bombs in Lebanon:

    If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it.

    It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting.

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      what we are best at here at HN

      It’s always bootlicking with this crowd jfc

    • @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
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      technical aspect seems to be for now that israeli secret services intercepted and sabotaged thousands of pagers to be distributed for hezbollah operatives, then blew them up all at once. it does look like small, reportedly less than 20g each explosive charge, but orange site accepted truth is that it was haxxorz blowing up lithium batteries. israelis already did exactly this thing but with phone in targeted assassination, and actual volume of such bomb would be tiny (about 10ml)

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      “best at”, they say? I shall have to update my priors

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        If HN is best at technical discussion that just means they’re even worse at everything else!

        • @gerikson
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          They suck at technical explanations too, unless it’s a Wikipedia link.

          • Sailor Sega Saturn
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            My joke didn’t land apparently but I did not mean to imply they were particularly good at technical explanations. Adjusted the working a smidge.

  • @o7___o7
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    Behind the Bastards is starting a series about Yarvin today. Always appreciate it when they wander into our bailiwick!

    • @YourNetworkIsHaunted
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      Also means we’re likely to have a better jumping on point to explain these people to those who aren’t already here. Hope he does one on Yud and friends in the not too distant future.

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        Their episode on Rudolph Steiner was great when explaining to the grandparents why we had to pull our kids out of a Waldorf kindergarten asap. Funny how so many things fall into the trap of “It can’t be that stupid, you must be explaining it wrong.”

        Also, big L for me on due diligence. I thought outdoor classrooms would be good for our fellow ADHD enjoyer; nope.

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      If you want decentralized systems you have to take the good with the bad. It’s part of the game

      I wonder if these people are at all familiar with the stages of grief

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      I’m mildly surprised at Krugman, since I never got a particularly racist vibe from him. (This is 100% an invitation to be corrected.) Annoyed that 1) I recognise so many names and 2) so many of the people involved are still influential.

      Interested in why Johnathan Marks is there though. He’s been pretty anti-scientific racism if memory serves. I think he’s even complained about how white supremacists stole the term human biodiversity. Now, I’m curious about the deep history of this group. Marks published his book in 1995 and this is a list from 1999, so was the transformation of the term into a racist euphemism already complete by then? Or is this discussion group more towards the beginning.

      Similarly, curious how out some of these people were at the time. E.g. I know that Harpending was seen as a pretty respectable anthropologist up until recently, despite his virulent racism. But I’ve never been able to figure out how much his earlier racism was covert vs. how much 1970s anthropology accepted racism vs. how much this reflects his personal connections with key people in the early field of hunter-gatherer studies.

      Oh also, super amused that Pinker and MacDonald are in the group at the same time, since I’m pretty sure Pinker denounced MacDonald for anti-Semitism in quite harsh language (which I haven’t seen mirrored when it comes to anti-black racism). MacDonald’s another weird one. He defended Irving when Irving was trying to silence Lipstadt, but in Evan’s account, while he disagrees with MacDonald, he doesn’t emphasise that MacDonald is a raging anti-Semite and white supremacist. So, once again, interested in how covert vs. overt MacDonald was at the time.

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        I thought that Sailer had coined the term in the early 2000s, but evidently that’s not correct

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          The Wikipedia article on the Human Biodiversity Institute cites the term human biodiversity as becoming a euphemism for racism sometime in the late 90s and Marks’ book is from 1995, so there was apparently a pretty quick turnover. Which makes me wonder if hijacking or if independent invention. The article has a lot of sources, so I might mine them to see if there’s a detailed timeline.

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      I look forward to the ‘but we often disagreed’ non-apologies. With absolute lack of self reflection on how this helped push Sailer/Unz into the positions they are now. If we even get that.

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        Pinker: looking through my photo album where I’m with people like Krauss and Epstein, shaking my head the whole time so the people on the bus know I disagree with them

    • @mirrorwitch
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      Also John McCarthy and Ray fucking Blanchard

      • @maol
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        Mr AGP? Wow.

    • @swlabr
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      Who could have predicted that liberalism would lead into scientific racism and then everything else that follows (mostly fascism)???

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        Surely “scientific” is giving them far too much credit? I recall previously sneering at some quotes about skull sizes, including something like women keep bonking their heads?

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          I believe the term is not so much meant to convey properties of science upon them as to describe the particular strain of racist shitbaggery (which dresses itself in appears-science, much like what happens in/with scientism)

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            Oh, definitely. For clarity my intention was to riff off them and increase levels of disrespect towards racists. In hindsight, the question format doesn’t quite convey that.

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    What are the chances that–somewhere deep in the bowels of Clearwater, FL–some poor soul has been ordered to develop an AI replicant of L. Ron Hubbard?

    There is a substantial corpus.

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      They’ve had enough problems with the guy who claimed to be the reincarnation of LRH.

      I reckon Miscavige wouldn’t want a robo-LRH as it could challenge his power within the organization.

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      How would you audit a computer? Would they add USB-C ports to the cans?

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        cat /dev/thetans > ~/genius.txt

      • @froztbyte
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        pours a bag of powdered mdma all over the computer “look at it! it’s drenched in e! PURGE!”

    • @selfA
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      the only worthwhile use of LLMs: endlessly prompting the L Ron Hubbard chatbot with Battlefield Earth reviews as a form of acausal torture

      • @o7___o7
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        look at me i am the basilisk now

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      Doesn’t have his body tethans so would be a different person or something.

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    so mozilla decided to take the piss while begging for $10 donations:

    We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet and take on irresponsible tech companies. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide are making donations. And when each one of us contributes what we can, all those donations add up fast.

    With the rise of AI and continued threats to online privacy, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet.

    the rise of AI you say! wow that sounds awful, it’s so good Mozilla isn’t very recently notorious for pushing that exact thing on their users without their consent alongside other privacy-violating changes. what a responsible tech company!

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      is this what gaslighting is?

      • @swlabr
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        Gaslighting? What are you talking about? There’s no such thing as gaslighting. Maybe you’re going crazy

    • Sailor Sega Saturn
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      We know $10 USD may not seem like enough to reclaim the internet with the browser we barely maintain and take on irresponsible tech companies that pay us vast sums of money. But the truth is that as you read this email, hundreds of Mozilla supporters worldwide haven’t realized we’re a charity racket dressed up as a browser who will spend all your money on AI and questionable browser plugins. And when each one of us contributes what we can, we can waste the money all the faster!

      With the rise of AI (you’re welcome, by the way, for the MDN AI assistant) and continued threats to online privacy like question like integrating a Mr. Robot Ad into firefox without proper code review, the stakes of our movement have never been higher. And marks supporters like you are the reason why Mozilla is in such a strong position to take on these challenges and transform the future of the internet in any way we know how – except by improving our browser of course that would be silly.

      (I’m feeling extra cynical today)

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      upside of this: they’ll get told why they’re not getting many of those $10 donations

      downside of that (rejection): that could be exactly what one of the ghouls-in-chief there need to push some or other bullshit

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        the ability of Mozilla’s executives and PMs to ignore public outcry is incredible, but not exactly unexpected from a thoroughly corrupt non-profit

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          could revitalise the ivory trade by mining these towers

          (/s, about the trade bit)

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      I admit, in my haste, I read that link as Marc Andreessen openly announcing they’re investing in the Chinese Communist Party, which is slightly funnier than the reality of yet another crypto game.

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      it’s even funnier than that (albeit also super depressing, in some ways)

      primer: hilmar (the head honcho at ccp) has been “crypto = bae” for going on 5~6y now (that I’m aware of, maybe longer), to the point that there are pictures of the guy at chain confs from around then, and mentions of people talking with him in The Private Backrooms at said chain confs. it’s been his darling and he has wanted very, very hard to put it into tq (the main game server). see this for example (and fwiw, warning: eve reddit)

      in-fill: there also appears to be quite a bit of cart before the horse element in how the company operates - they will frequently first work on something, then when it starts getting near release they’ll send out some surveys that almost without fail have some extremely loaded questions in them. an example would be that instead of asking players what they generally think of xyz feature/intended mechanic/etc, the survey will instead garden path answers along, attempting to manufacture consent/compliance.

      and, last little detail: keep in mind this is a game where people will min-max the everloving shit out of something, and where a fair number of people out there are willing to trade actual time to making in-game money with which to fund their gametime (“plexing”). people who would be willing to engage with some really ridiculous abstract/effortful shit for whatever gains they could, just because they could.

      so with that said, during 2021/2022 (in the middle of the NFT tsunami of shit) the first big round of “we want to add NFTs to tq” came about. and there were a fair amount of indications that ccp had already sunk quite a bunch of devtime on it, and were getting ready to roll it out. the pitch was, uh, “not well received” would be putting it extremely lightly. it was panned so fucking extremely, they had to put out this newsblog which included the remarkably tortured phrase “Not For Tranquility”

      which is the early strand of what leads us to this particular little “gem”. it’s hard to get specific details because they’re fairly tight-lipped about internal processes and shit, so the following is definitely heavily conjecture. hilmar didn’t want to break up with his bae, and kept pushing trying to keep this alive, somehow. whether the drive for this is also tied up with the Pearl Abyss acquisition some years prior is unclear (but Black Desert Online players all cried wolf when PA bought CCP, and said to expect increasing financial fuckery). what does appear to be the case is that a number of developers (possibly the pro-NFT among them) got sequestered off to the Special Project that became this thing, along with the a16z money a while back. the general feeling in the eve:o community is still largely “get fucked”, and this project is likely to be double-stillborn (on account of dead kriptoes and an unwanted game/product)

      I look forward in earnest to see just how dead it is on arrival

      [0] - it took less than 2mo from the “would you like to play a fps in the eve universe? what would you want in it? what do you normally do in eve? what would you do in an eve-universe fps? why would you want your eve …” survey going out to the announcement “hey surprise! we have an fps!”[1]

      [1] - again. they’ve failed a few times, with multiples out. ccp product leadership real bad.

      • @misterbngo
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        Man this company has had some really interesting ideas and then the execution always falters.

        I was still subscribed when the first eve-fps crossover they attempted. it seemed great and then for whatever reason a console exclusive with a subscription fee ontop. They didnt get the numbers they were planning for and the whole thing just died on the vine.

        They’ve had some neat tech here and there and the whole experience is great for building out your psychopathy but i lost interest after the Greed Is Good phase of CCCP games started.

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      In 3 years they will release their NFT game.