TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.

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  • recursive_recursion they/them
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    This is absolutely insane
    My condolences to all Windows 11 users.

    It’s becoming common knowledge that:

    • It’s not a matter of if but when will xyz service/application be breached and what are the potential damages it could do to me and others?

    "I assume every online service is not if; it’s when is it going to be breached? Right? So I operate under that assumption, that everything is going to be breached at some point. And so that’s why Recall was so scary to me where it’s like, I don’t care how secure they say it is, like you look at Spectre and Meltdown no one thought these things were going to affect millions of CPUs and here we are, right?

    • Steve from Gamers Nexus

    [Level1Techs] Microsoft Is KILLING Windows | ft. Steve @GamersNexus

    • @BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
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      762 months ago

      I guess I just have to keep Windows 10 with a custom group policy that disables all updates either forever or until I learn Linux.

      Linux gaming is getting to the point that I could consider the switch, but I hear scary stories about Nvidia drivers.

        • riquisimo
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          82 months ago

          I had minor issues when I first installed, but I worked them all out.

          Install and give it a week. Seven days. If you can’t get it all figured out by then head back to windows. If you can figure it out, you probably won’t go back.

      • @Cenotaph@mander.xyz
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        I have a GTX 1080 and I’ve been gaming on Linux for over a year now. No issues. Only thing that you cant do is some of the new generation window managers (wayland) but even that is working well in the nvidia drivers that arent on stable yet. In any case, the previous generations window managers work great and if wayland doesnt work properly for you, you can just as easily do without it.

        Point is, its worth it to make the switch. I set my partner up with Linux Mint when their machine didnt qualify for windows updates anymore and they’ve had no problems, games and all. And they would never touch the command line.

        Would recommend

        • mesamune
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          62 months ago

          Yep same with PoPOS. Great little distro. It’s been my daily driver for years now.

        • @mPony@lemmy.world
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          12 months ago

          hey GTX1080 user! Have you been able to get any games running with RTX? I picked mine up used a while back, and I kinda stopped PC gaming ages ago, but it’d be nice to use these features if I could. I haven’t been able to get RTX Portal or RTX Quake 2 to work right via Steam, so i figured the card/drivers just can’t handle it and I should just play vanilla DOOM instead.

          • @Cenotaph@mander.xyz
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            My understanding is the 1080 predated the RTX stuff by a generation, even when I was on Windows I don’t think the Nvidia drivers for the 1080 supported RTX well, if at all

        • ditty
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          12 months ago

          Including for sleep and hibernate? Those are what I’ve run into issues with with EndeavourOS and Garuda with my NVIDIA gpu

      • asudox
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        If you have a new NVIDIA GPU (Turing+), you can use the new open kernel module. If you have older ones, I guess you’re stuck with the proprietary or bad unofficial open source ones. The open kernel module works good and gets the job done. No need to be afraid of it. I get over 1000fps in (optimized) minecraft with shaders. I couldn’t do that in windows.

      • @Senseless@feddit.org
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        92 months ago

        Running EndeavourOS with Nvidia on Wayland for some months now. Prior to 555 it was a bit janky at times. Since then, and now with 560, the only issue I’m having is related to sleep/hibernation mode. Game wise everything runs fine.

      • @WhiteHairSuperSaiyan@lemmynsfw.com
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        82 months ago

        I made the switch with my old 1080ti the newer GPUs work even better and mine has given me almost 0 issues with Linux mint. It’s worth the dive. Mint also “just works” so it’s super easy to get into from Windows.

      • The Hobbyist
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        It may have been the case in the past but Ive used both the GTX 680 and RTX 3060 on Fedora with no issue whatsoever. I have veen using the nvidia peoprietary drivers and they work well.

      • @Matriks404@lemmy.world
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        You can run Windows in virtual machine, you know.

        It would be the best if you could have dedicated GPU for it, to be able to run games with nearly 100% performance.

      • @archonet@lemy.lol
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        I’ve had no significant driver issues with Mint and a 2080, myself. I switched back in February, and most things – games included – just work. The few that didn’t, were easy to fix with some searching on stackoverflow and reddit (about the only thing that site is good for now).

        if an idiot like me can do it, so can you.

      • @illi@lemm.ee
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        I guess it depends on what you do, but as an awerage user - not really much to learn in terms of Linux. No special knowledge needed to use it like a normal person. I had to reformat some drives so Linux can use them and learning about Heroic games launcher, Lutris and Bottles to run non-steam games and windows software amd learn about compatibility layer built into Steam.

        Otherwise it just works. Using Linux Mint. Didn’t boot to Windows pretty much since I installed it - there was no need.

      • @RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
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        22 months ago

        Try a Live USB and find out for yourself if your distro of choice plays nice with your rig. You could have your answer in an hour or so of following YouTube tutorials.

      • @GoodEye8@lemm.ee
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        As others have already pointed out Nvidia drivers aren’t that bad. The only game I’ve had issues with is Star Wars Outlaws, but I think that has more to do with the game itself than Nvidia drivers (It’s not exactly a stable experience on Windows either).

        The only big thing holding Linux gaming back is anti-cheat, but that’s mostly because AAA developers don’t want to allow anti-cheat on Linux. It’s worth checking out if your favorite online game can be played on Linux.

      • @Crismus@lemmy.world
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        I moved to Linux Mint after a brief stint with Manjaro. I don’t prefer the Cinnamon interface, but gaming has been perfect. Bottles, allows me to install GOG Galaxy and the games run. I even modded Skyrim using a manual process and a ton of animation mods, that worked alright a lot of times with Vortex ( for the most part).

        Linux can handle NTFS partitions, and just take a small line to fix if they are open during a crash. Flatpak software is really stable to install and keep installed.

        I haven’t yet had a problem with steam games.

        The only problem I have is with streaming services forcing Windows usage, so I got a VPN and raised the Jolly Roger to watch streaming services.

        My 3080 plays games fine, and the few times it got a little slow I rebooted and it all worked fine. Discord calls and Twitch work fine. I even take my VA Online appointments with no issues.

        It’s closer to going back to Windows 7 or XP, with a decent free office software.

      • @Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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        Nvidia drivers are the reason I end up going back to windows every time. Once installed they work fine, but installation and updating were always fraught with issues, and would inevitably break and piss me off to the point I gave up and went back to windows.

        Haven’t tried since I got my amd card, but maybe Nvidia Linux drivers are less terrible than they had been.

  • Remmy
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    2742 months ago

    Microsoft has been the single most effective marketing asset for GNU/Linux distributions in recent years.

    • @kameecoding@lemmy.world
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      722 months ago

      Well Valve was doing too well with the steam deck in that area so they had to trump them, second place is just the first loser.

    • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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      Tbf in recent decades.

      Even tho googled-android should have been even more so, but the hardware licence fuckshittery is a huge obstacle.

    • @fuzzyfirefox@lemmy.world
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      So true. I got fed up with all this Recall and AI BS and recently replaced Win 11 (which I upgraded to by accident) with PopOS. No issues so far and PopOS is much faster than Windows.

    • @Freefall@lemmy.world
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      PC gamer for a lot of my life. My old Win8.1 system is slowly dieing and I can play less and less games…win 11 has made me decide to leave the hobby. I may grab a Steamdeck, but I think I am done with PC gaming (and consoles are just shit PCs now). I have a Linux work PC, but I am not bothering with making a gaming Linux rig when I can just go the Steamdeck route.

      • FartsWithAnAccent
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        Steam Deck is great, 10/10, would recommend, but you could also just load Linux on your old system and keep using it.

        • @Freefall@lemmy.world
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          I can better justify taking the out presented and using the Steamdeck for my fix. It will be cathartic lol

      • BombOmOm
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        Just want to add that most games just work on Linux now. Valve has done some amazing work on this front. The Steam deck, or really any gaming PC with Steam, are perfectly good gaming boxes. Check out Proton DB if you want game-specific info.

    • @discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world
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      72 months ago

      absolutely. I had tried Linux on various machines long ago but was one of the people that was put off by older distro’s learning curves - I’m now daily driving Linux on both my laptop and desktop and the main push for the switch is microsoft fucking around with settings, installing candy crush after updates (on a paid OS), adding more and more dumb, unsolicited, privacy invading AI bullshit with every feature update, and running like shit on a perfectly adequate machine.

      Modern Linux, with flatpak support? I haven’t looked back once - had to help a friend fix something on a win11 desktop recently and was reminded of every reason I made the switch. Even if I had to jump in the terminal every day like long ago, it would still be worth it to not have bing, copilot, and edge rammed down my throat, whether I want them or not.

      Windows is getting so shitty that completely non-technical users are tired of it… as soon as somewhat open minded users start to experiment and realise that Linux feature and UX parity has been achieved - I hope microsoft fucking collapses and we can all finally walk into the sunlight that open source OSes and software represent.

    • @Eldritch@lemmy.world
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      After all the fud and opposition they’ve pushed against it over the years. It’s nice to see them finally do things to help it.

      Quick edit to add that it couldn’t come at a better time now that there are companies like system 76 out there. Making Linux compatible systems that ship with Linux that you can actually recommend to someone who is a novice to pick up. They may be on a more expensive side. But what’s your privacy worth?

        • Dark Arc
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          Their laptops are built on third party chassis. I have their keyboard and that thing is SOLID. I expect their desktops (that are custom made) are also quite solid.

          Laptops… I’d lean frame.work if you know your way around a Linux installer. That said, there are rumors that system76 is working on a custom laptop chassis (still, framework is hard to beat for modularity).

          Edit: while not specifically QC related… I suspect the things that aren’t really custom built for them might not get the same level of care/might be more on their supplier depending on the issue.

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            Also have their keyboard and its amazing. I’ll be doing the same, System76 Desktop and Framework Laptop for my next upgrades.

            • Dark Arc
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              I build my own desktops, but they do sell their case individually. I’ll definitely be considering that for my next upgrade.

          • @yonder@sh.itjust.works
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            IIRC Framework can preinstall fedora for you since it’s officially supported. I use Fedora on an AMD Framework 13 and its been very smooth. Even the fingerprint sensor works.

            EDIT: They will not install linux for unfortunately but it is still supported

          • @NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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            I have a Gazelle12 from 2018 and it’s chassis is dogshit, but when I did my research before purchasing I saw a lot of reviews. They all pointed out that the case was made of flimsy plastic, so I was aware ahead of time of that potential problem. The Oryx Pro was the next Model up for several hundreds more, though. Ultimately, I am happy with my laptop even if I have to disassemble it just to repair the chassis with epoxy periodically. It’s 6 years later and the specs are still more than adequate for 99% of my needs, except for my specific intel processor which isn’t supported by Win11. I consider that a feature as oppose to a problem. The software bloat and planned obsolessence through slowdowns of software on Windows based computers are things I do not miss one bit.

            They have since changed their model lineup and I bet the build quality on the other models today aee much better then the Gazelle of 2018.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝
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          I switched to a Framework 13 after having a system76 Darter Pro, and it’s a whole other league. Incredibly well-built, feels great, runs great, flashy as hell, even the fingerprint reader works out of the box with Fedora KDE.

          I’m sudoing in the terminal with my fingers! It’s magic! And it just works!

          Also, I managed to drop it in the most stupid way so it bent the whole case, and I could get it fixed for 200 EUR, one day shipping and 20 minutes of work by myself, and that was a full casing swap, so bottom assembly plus keyboard assembly, whole case but the mobo and the stuff on it.

          This is what having a laptop should work like. That’s what they took from you.

      • @gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        After all the fud and opposition they’ve pushed against it over the years.

        what did they do?? i havent heard of this before damn

        • @Jesus_666@lemmy.world
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          162 months ago

          They did PR campaigns against Linux and OpenOffice for quite some time – until cloud computing took off and it turned out they could earn more money by supporting Linux than by fighting it.

          In fact, Microsoft weren’t happy about FOSS in general. I can still remember when they tried to make “shared source” a thing: They made their own ersatz OSI with its own set of licenses, some of which didn’t grant proper reuse rights – like only allowing you to use the source code to write Windows applications.

      • Otter
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        Privacy, security, intellectual property

  • Australis13
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    Okay, this might be a non-issue: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil/issues/2697#issuecomment-2403792309

    To those that arrive here from any Youtube or Twitter posts, please know that disabling Recall via DISM works fine, and preserves the modern File Explorer (though some might consider this an anti-feature). CBS correctly disables it, and the disablement is preserved through reboots, just like with any other feature.

    Edit: of course, the big problem here is that it’s still present (even disabled) and hence malware could turn it back on without you realising. Ugh.

    • @RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works
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      A lot of unpopular “features” and behaviors used to have DISM, policy, or registry workarounds. And MS seems to love to kill those workarounds during later updates.

      If MS isn’t letting people uninstall it, there’s a reason for it, and I’d be willing to bet that users will one day find that it has been magically re-enabled by an update.

      • @Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world
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        There will 100% be a policy to disable it. Microsoft may shit on their retail users, but there’s no way they’d force it on their enterprise clients. It’s a security and compliance nightmare and they know it.

        • @doctortran@lemm.ee
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          Problem is disabling it will likely be locked behind the Enterprise edition.

          Kind of like the “Recommended” section in the Start menu. There is actually a way to disable that entirely…if you have an Enterprise license. There is no way to do it on any other version.

          I said it was back when they took Group Policy out of the Home edition: the long term goal is to make truly controlling Windows a premium feature that only corporations can afford, and you see that with the slow elimination of many of those settings.

          • bean
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            So how can users band together to buy enterprise licenses from each other?

    • @narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
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      Malware could also reinstall it to be fair, or just create screenshots on its own.

      Still smells fishy that Explorer has it as a dependency, “disabled” or not.

      • Pasta Dental
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        Recall is malware, at least according to Malwarebytes!

        Malware, or “malicious software,” is an umbrella term that refers to any malicious program or code that is harmful to systems.

        • @frazorth@feddit.uk
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          Yeah, you are already running Windows.

          If you still consider Windows Update malware then you completely missed the other 90% of your hostile environment.

      • @DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works
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        Windows Update is 100% malware by definition. Remember when Windows 7 had a free upgrade to Windows 10? It would force itself into the update queue with regular updates regardless of the user’s permission, and even after x days after the user explicitly said they didn’t want Windows 10. I worked in a computer repair shop in that time. The Windows 10 upgrade that people didn’t want or agree to often failed, breaking the machine. Sometimes we could recover the installation. Sometimes the OS had to be reinstalled. It was intentionally pushing software in deceiving ways to unconsenting users that broke their machine.

        • @frazorth@feddit.uk
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          All of Windows is malware. By default you have adverts in your start menu, you have pop ups (which is not the same thing as Windows Update, pop ups are a service provided by Explorer) which maliciously install unwanted web browsers.

          You can’t support Trump and then claim that only a small part of his following is due to racist bigots.

          You can’t support AI and claim that only a small part of it damages the atmosphere.

          You can’t support Windows and claim that only part of it is malware.

          Windows 100% enables and supports this nefarious behaviour. It’s the abusive spouse trapping you before beating the shit out of you for your own good.

    • @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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      (though some might consider this an anti-feature)

      To be fair, not everyone would say that, and the only reason you would call it an “anti-feature” is if you had an accurate understanding of the issues.

    • @vxx@lemmy.world
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      Man, I cling to Windows like nobody else, as I didn’t have any advertising issues and such, but this will be the final straw.

      It’s already enough of a spying system but I refuse to have it as a spy on crack.

      Time to read into distros.

      • @boonhet@lemm.ee
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        As far as Linux distros are concerned, really, any distro is just a package manager with repos and a set of default utilities. Essentially, a distro is an opinion on how you should use your system, not a law. Now prepare for my ADHD-fuelled stream of consciousness (which I wrote instead of getting any work done, yay):

        Stay away from Arch and Gentoo for your first distro. These are basically meme distros, especially Gentoo. They allow for a lot of flexibility and building a really minimal install, but come with install-time complexity you really don’t need. Try them later on if you’re interested. Stay away from nixOS for now too, although it’s also awesome.

        Package managers

        Essentially, you have two main packaging types: RPM (used by Fedora/RedHat’s dnf, previously yum and (Open)SuSE’s zypper) and deb (used by apt mostly, dunno if others).

        Either one is fine, but I think you’ll probably find more software available as debs. But the difference barely exists and with GUI apps you can usually install a flatpak anyway (more on this later).

        Deb

        Everything deb/apt comes from the Debian lineage.

        You have Debian, the granddaddy of stability, releases come every few years and are tested thoroughly. After package freeze, only bugfixes and security updates usually get added. Then you have Ubuntu, a fork of Debian with more frequent releases as well as Long-Term Support releases every 2 years. Ubuntu used to be the most recommended beginner distro, but it’s no longer the case - not just because it has ads in it, but also because it pushes Snaps over Flatpaks AND occasionally tries to force Snaps over regular packages (again, more on this later).

        Then, much like Ubuntu has forked Debian, others have forked Ubuntu. There’s Linux Mint - used to have the same release cadence as Ubuntu, but now they only base their releases off Ubuntu LTS versions. Really, it’s Ubuntu without all the commercial stuff Ubuntu’s been pushing. And they maintain their own desktop environment(s), but you can get those elsewhere too. There’s also Pop!_OS which is developed by System76, a laptop manufacturer. It used to come with its’ own customizations on top of Gnome, but now they’re creating their own desktop environment altogether, which is currently in Alpha 2. And then there’s KDE Neon, which is also based on Ubuntu LTS, but it ships the latest version of KDE Plasma desktop environment, rather than whatever version is in the latest Ubuntu LTS.

        Rpm

        On the rpm side, you mostly have two families for non-enterprise users: Fedora, which has a similar release cadence to Ubuntu, but apparently keeps packages more up to date between releases and OpenSuSE, which has Leap (new versions every year, with critical bugfixes and security updates in the meantime) and Tumbleweed, which is rolling release, so you just get the latest version of every package that has been tested, rather than having to wait for a new release. Tumbleweed gets updated just about every day. There’s also Slowroll, which gets big updates monthly, but can still get bugfixes between those.

        Desktop Environments

        For just about any distro, you can get just about any desktop environment. Ubuntu and Fedora default to Gnome. KDE Neon is pretty much just meant to be used with KDE Plasma. Pop!_OS defaults to customized Gnome unless you get the alpha version of the new COSMIC desktop. OpenSUSE defaults to KDE Plasma.

        For Ubuntu you get variants like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc, for whatever desktop you want, or you can switch alter (apt install kubuntu-desktop for an example). For Fedora, you can get a Fedora Spin, like Fedora KDE Spin for an example. Or you can similarly switch: dnf install @kde-desktop-environment. Same goes for all of them, really.

        Desktop environments: The two big ones are KDE Plasma (close to Windows in default appearance, but a lot more customizable, and more functional straight out of the box) and Gnome, which as of Gnome 3 is just… unique, I guess. It’s different. Then on the “Help I’m running this on a computer from 2004” side you have things like XFCE and LXQT. (Xubuntu, Lubuntu get their names from these). Those work just fine too, just a bit less eye candy. There are a lot more of less mainstream ones like Budgie or Enlightenment, but you can worry about those later.

        Sandboxed applications - Flatpak, Snap

        Now, why did I mention Flatpaks and Snaps earlier? Those are sandboxed package managers. A package comes with a sandbox of its’ own, and Flatpak or Snap keeps a copy of all the libraries it depends on, instead of using system libraries. This means that 1) There’s never a version conflict between what’s installed on your system and what the application uses and 2) You have multiple copies of some libraries (Flatpak and Snap both I think do try to deduplicate though so if two applications use the same version of a dependency, it keeps one copy stored). 3) You can install applications your distro doesn’t even have a package for.

        Both also keep system resources out of reach of the applications, so they’re more secure to some degree if you don’t trust an application. This comes with limitations, too - sometimes you NEED your application to have access to something that’s limited in Flatpak or Snap. You can sorta fix this with flatseal for Flatpak, but it’s not perfect.

        The real problem with Snap, besides having a proprietary backend vs Flatpak where you can use either Flathub or another application store with it, is that Ubuntu is starting to force it upon you - including for applications you may not want to run in a sandbox at all. You’ll run apt install firefox and it’ll play a trick on you and install the Snap instead of the deb. You lose some control over your system and how you use it. You can override this, but it’s possibly more work than you’d want to take on as a brand new Linux user.

        At the end of the day, I recommend using either OpenSuSE Tumbleweed (if you want latest and greatest always), Fedora, Linux Mint, or Pop!_OS. If you really want the latest and greatest KDE Plasma and don’t want Tumbleweed, then KDE Neon might make sense for you.

        • KubeRoot
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          Calling Arch a meme distro is unnecessarily insulting. I imagine the same applies to Gentoo, but I haven’t used it myself. It’s an enthusiast distro, for people who want to have control over how their system is set up while accepting the responsibility of having to set everything up.

          I absolutely agree with recommending against it for somebody’s first experience - but if you’re willing to read through the guides and troubleshoot issues, you can learn a lot about how things work on Linux. It’s the kind of distro where you will have issues, and they will usually be due to your own mistakes.

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            I categorized them as meme distros because you’re going to spend more time getting things just right than actually using your computer, at least for a while. In fact you could say my favourite games to play on Gentoo were the Portage package manager and nano. Yes, I used it on my gaming PC.

            • KubeRoot
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              For a while, maybe… But the two distinctions I’d want to make is that, one, that’s also mostly the time you’ll spend learning what you need to set up as part of your system, and two, things that might be out of your control on many distros. I’d also say that by calling it a “meme distro” you’re lumping it together with Hannah Montana Linux and similar.

              I will certainly say, however, that I’m rather annoyed by all the people saying “Bro you can set up arch in a few minutes just run archinstal it’s easy”… Not only do I not believe it’s that easy when you don’t know what you’re doing and need to actually use the system, but that also seems to run counter to the point of arch. I think there’s at least two popular arch derivatives meant to remove the enthusiast aspect and provide a streamlined experience, so why recommend arch to new people if not as a learning experience?

            • GHiLA
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              The only thing that makes Arch harder to install than Debian is that you have to type “arch install” and hit enter instead of clicking on “install” using a mouse cursor.

              It ain’t 2012 anymore.

        • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          OpenSuSE

          As an openSUSE user, I want to also point out that you can upgrade from Leap -> Tumbleweed really easily, so I highly recommend starting with Leap and upgrading to Tumbleweed later once you get a feel for the system and want something a little more exciting and up-to-date.

          That said, I don’t recommend openSUSE for a new user unless you’re in Europe, because there just isn’t a huge userbase or single community I can point at. Support is high quality, when you can find it, but quite a bit less plentiful vs Fedora. That said, SUSE is huge in Europe, so you could probably find a lot more non-English language support.

          So if you’re sold on an RPM distro, I recommend Fedora, not because openSUSE is bad, but purely based on community support. That said, my primary recommendation is Linux Mint due to community size and proximity to Debian (which also has a huge community).

          OpenSUSE defaults to KDE Plasma.

          That’s not really true, it asks you in the installer which one you want. However, most openSUSE users seem to recommend KDE, so you’ll probably get the best help with that desktop (and it’s what I use, now that Wayland support is pretty good).

          At the end of the day, I recommend

          I differ a bit. Here’s what I recommend:

          1. Linux Mint
          2. Fedora
          3. Debian
          4. openSUSE Leap -> Tumbleweed (start w/ Leap, upgrade to Tumbleweed later)
          5. Pop!_OS

          I use openSUSE, but put it lower due to limited community support. It’s the perfect distro for me, and I love the different spins it has. I currently use Leap for servers and Tumbleweed for desktop/laptop, and I plan to transition to microOS for servers.

          Arch

          I don’t see Arch as a meme, I think it’s a fine distro and I used it for several years. However, I don’t think it should be anyone’s first distro, or even second, not because it’s hard or complicated (it’s remarkably simple), but because it doesn’t really have any guardrails, so whether you have a good or bad experience with it depends more on you than the distro itself.

          That said, don’t use Manjaro, it’s not “easier Arch” or “safer Arch,” in fact I think it has way more problems than Arch does. If you want an easy install option, I recommend using something else first. If you are familiar with Arch, then use something like EndeavorOS so you don’t need to do all the setup, but as a first time user, I recommend using Arch’s official install process instead.

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        I’m in the exact same boat as you.

        After ten hours of research you will have learned that Linux Mint with Cinnamon is the one you’re looking for, for an intro. Widely used, familiar, stable.

        Feel free to read a bunch to confirm.

        • @illi@lemm.ee
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          Seconded. Linux Mint is really comfy and intuitive coming off of lifetime of Windows

        • @Zink@programming.dev
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          It’s a great intro AND a great one to stick with. It is basically Ubuntu, the most popular distro(which is built on Debian), minus the controversial Canonical stuff, plus some additional conveniences and polish.

          If I switched from Mint to Arch it wouldn’t really affect how I use my PC unless it broke functionality. 95% of usage is in terminal, Firefox, or vscode. And that includes browser-based M365 work apps.

      • @0x0@programming.dev
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        Linux Mint seems to be one of the most recommended for newcomers.

        “Burn” the ISO on an USB drive, boot live from it and give it a try.

        • @TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world
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          I personally recommend Linux Mint. It feels just close enough to Windows to be fairly comfortable to use. Customizing the task bar on Cinnamon still feels weirdly awkward and confusing though.

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            I don’t use it, but I recommend it to every newcomer and I’ve had great feedback that it’s easy to get started with. There’s a lot of help available online, and almost anything Debian or Ubuntu-related should apply, most of the time.

            Once you get a feel for Linux Mint, you can decide where to go from there. But the most important part is to get a usable system first, and Mint makes that really easy, without some of the drawbacks of Ubuntu.

            I recommend the Debian edition, but honestly, any of their spins are fine, pick one that looks cool and have at it.

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        There’s plenty to read up on but I think starting with any is a good place. You’ll find stuff you dislike. I’d recommend setting up ventoy on a USB (it will let you have several linux images on one thumb drive) and testing out most importantly the desktop environment (DE).

        Main ones being KDE, GNOME, and cinnamon that comes with Mint (which is a great first distro to test).

        If you end up having questions feel free to DM me

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        The transition is really not difficult. A distribution like Xubuntu (XFCE+Ubuntu) is very easy. Everything should work out of the box.

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              Arch if you know what you’re doing. It’s what I use, but my machine is pretty beefy. I’ve used xubuntu on the mini PC attached to my TV for about 6 years without a hiccup.

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              try endeavour os xfce edition…it is arch linux based but everything is preconfigured.It also come with welcome wizard to help out new user, and xfce de is really lightweight, good for old device

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                  You might be semi-comfortably running linux mint cinnamon on these (assuming 4gb ram) with xfce you’re trading clunkiness and ancient looks for lower memory usage

                  no idea about the usual suspects, wifi, bt, graphics probably will require tinkering as is tradition

    • @snowflocke
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      I try to jump on Linux for years, it breaks so often for me I really lost all faith…

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          Ironically, a few months ago I wanted to setup Debian 12 on a ThinkPad X13, which feels like the most boring and stable thing one can possibly say. It installed just fine - but would fail to boot once installed. I absolutely require a cellular modem to work (I’m assuming this was the booting issue, but it’s a snapdragon X55, it’s been out… 4 years now?) and I tried 10+ other distros, which basically didn’t work/support the modem, so I ended up sighing and having to go with kubuntu.

          I’m mostly happy with it (it ‘works’ and hasn’t broken yet) but I shouldn’t have to distrohop, read guides and get lost in a sea of dead links to (not, except *ubu) get WWAN working. It should work ootb, no fuss. So I expected Debian would have no issue, no bullshit. Bah.

          • @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            Snapdragon is famously awful on laptops, they claim to support Linux but the support is shaky. The primary reason why you’re suffering from those issues is because snapdragon on Linux is absolutely not stable (its also generally not stable even on Windows), had you chosen any AMD64 laptop you would be fine. Personally I recommend installing Armbians x13s branch but I can also recommend Arch Linux arm. Keep in mind if you want the most amount of features working you will need to use Arch Linux Arm, I know its ironic that you need to use Arch for stability but keep in mind most Linux distros have ignored snapdragon until the X Elite. That means Arch Linux Arm will have the most stability updates in addition newer kernels have improved support.

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              It’s the X13, not the X13s variant. Intel chip, generation two. The snapdragon is the 5G WWAN modem, not the cpu.

              • @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                Cellular modems on Linux are even more niche but better supported. I recommend trying Fedora, ive never personally used a modem (My Thinkpad T440p has a sim card slot but ive never used it).

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        Check out Aeon and Fedora Silverblue. I’m installing Aeon on Desktops and MicroOS on Servers. My computer needs to be a reliable tool. Immutable distros make it exactly that.

        The last thing I want to do in my free time or during my work day is be forced to fiddle with some poorly documented and/or implemented idiocy on my personal computer because I forgot to cast the correct incantation prior to updating something. I’m not a masochist.

        EDIT To the hesitant but hopeful Windows+Nvidia user: give Fedora Kinoite a try. Check my reply to @independantiste@sh.itjust.works below for details.

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          I wouldn’t recommend aeon, a beta Linux distro that doesn’t work for Nvidia GPUs at the moment as someone looking for something stable. Silver Blue is great though

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            That’s a fair take. Silver Blue is great and, in the spirit of the thread, if I were helping an interested but hesitant lifelong Windows/Intel/Nvidia user migrate to Linux today I would:

            1. Buy them a new SSD or m.2 (a decent 1tb is ~$50 & a good one only ~$100).
            2. Have them write down what applications, tools, games, sites, etc they use most often.
            3. Swap their current Windows OS drive with the new drive and, if needed, show them how and why that works or provide an illustrated how-to (so this choice is not a one-way street paved with anxiety. If they want to swap back, or transfer files, or whatever else; they can. Easily). Storage drives are just diaries for computers. The user should know there’s nothing scary or mystical about them.
            4. Install Fedora Kinoite on that new drive.
            5. Swap them from Fedora’s custom Flatpak repository to Flathub proper. A decision that should be given to the user on install IMO but I digress.
            6. Install their catalogue of goodies from step 2 so they’re not starting from scratch.
            7. Install pika and configure a sane home directory backup cadence.
            8. Ask them to kick the tires and test drive that Linux install for at least a month.

            Kinoite is going to feel the most like Windows and, once configured, stay out of the way while being a safe, familiar, transparent gateway to the things the user wants to use.

            My personal OS choices are driven by ideals, familiarity, design preferences, and a bank of good will / public trust.

            I disagree with some of Red Hat’s business model. I fully support the approach SUSE takes. I’m also used to the OpenSUSE ecosystem, agree with most of their project’s design philosophies, and trust their intentions. I’m not a “fan” though and will happily recommend and install Silver Blue or any other FOSS system on someone’s computer if that’s what they want and it makes sense for them! Opinionated discussion can be productive and healthy. Zealotry facilitates neither.

            That said: Aeon has been out of beta for a while. The latest release is Release Candidate 3 and they’re closing in on the first full release. Nvidia drivers work after a bit of fiddling. 🙂

            I’m going to edit my previous post to add the Kinoite suggestion for posterity’s sake.

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        Things seem to have improved in the last 5 years, so maybe give it another shot. I’m on Fedora 40 with gnome and lots of extensions, and I’m constantly tinkering with it to make it look just right (for fun, not that I feel like I have to). Nothing catastrophic has happened yet!🤞

  • @affiliate@lemmy.world
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    how the fuck could they have possibly done things in a way that makes explorer tabs depend on recall?

    if they can’t even separate out recall from the rest of the operating system then i have absolutely no faith it will be secure.

    • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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      how the fuck could they have possibly done things in a way that makes explorer tabs depend on recall?

      It’s very clearly an intentional move to keep it installed.

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    it was vastly easier to install linux mint than it is to figure out registry editing or whatever the fuck i’d need to avoid this

    • Something Burger 🍔
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      Nah, mate, Linux is hard, you need to know what a Wayland is. In comparison, Windows is very simple and lightweight, you only have to run a dozen Powershell scripts and edit the registry weekly to get rid of ads.

    • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      This is where some Windows shill says “you only need to fix it once!” as if this is your only computer ever, and the only problem you need to fix. And then Windows changes it back to their default in next year’s update.

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        And as if it’s entirely reasonable for the maker of your OS to intentionally work against your ability to control your own hardware and what runs on it.

    • @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      The difference between Linux and Windows is on Linux you’re working with the operating system to make modifications and taking advantage of its vast resources (extensive wikis on major distos, terminal auto completion with fish and zsh, preconfigured defaults when installing through the package manager, etc). Meanwhile on Windows you’re actively working against the system in order to disable unwanted features like AI and telemetry.

      (Also I would recommend looking into Debian, the software may be a tad bit old but its the most stable distribution)

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        Happy Debian daily driver here. I would never ever recommend raw Debian to a garden variety would-be Linux convert.

        If you think something like Debian is something a Linux illiterate can just pick up and start using proficiently, you’re severely out of touch with how most computer users actually think about their machines. If you even so much as know the name of your file explorer program, you’re in a completely different league.

        Debian prides itself on being a lean, no bloat, and stable environment made only of truly free software (with the ability to opt-in to nonfree software). To people like us, that’s a clean, blank canvas on a rock-solid, reliable foundation that won’t enshittify. But to most people, it’s an austere, outdated, and unfashionable wasteland full of flaky, ugly tooling.

        Debian can be polished to any standard one likes, but you’re expected to do it yourself. Most people just aren’t in the game to play it like that. Debian saddles questions of choice almost no one is asking, or frankly, even knew was a question that was ask*-able*. Mandatory customizeability is a flaw, not a feature.

        I am absolutely team “just steer them to Mint”. All the goodness of Debian snuck into their OS like medicine in a kid’s dessert, wrapped up in something they might actually find palatable. Debian itself can be saved for when, or shall I say if, the user eventually goes poking under the hood to discover how the machine actually ticks.

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        Debian is probably one of the worst choices for someone looking to try Linux, especially for gaming.

        Nothing better than setting everything up only to find you can’t install some new thing because your xyz is too old

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          I was on Debian Sid for a year or 2 and gaming was working perfectly until I did an update that uninstalled my GUI and WiFi drivers. I’m on Mint now and it’s been smooth sailing so far

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          Debian is always my first choice, but I’m not playing the newest stuff (Far Cry 5/7D2D/Ark/etc), while it hasn’t been ‘smooth sailing’, I haven’t found anything that just refuses to play.

        • @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Anyone whos new to gaming on Linux is probably using the Steam Flatpak, also stability is more important for newer users then a few utilities that power users (like myself) enjoy.

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        Also I would recommend looking into Debian, the software may be a tad bit old but its the most stable distribution

        I daily drive Mint, which is in the Debian family. Highly recommend it as it is geared for a ‘works out of the box’ experience for people. And the default UI (Cinnamon) is very familiar to Windows users. Complete with a task bar, tray, and searchable start menu.

        Pure Debian is more of a server OS, and not something one should recommend as a daily driver. It’s not deficient in that, but it takes a fair bit of work to get it up and running for daily use.

    • @Zink@programming.dev
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      I absolutely love Linux mint. I use it daily for dev work, but I’d also install it on my mother’s old laptop so she could keep using Facebook on it or whatever.

      • @TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world
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        I’ve been very impressed by the out-of-the-box experience with Pop!_OS. My Steam games work, and I have Elder Scrolls Online running through Lutris.

        So far, everything just works.

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          I have to admit that one does look really good too.

          I have a couple of old windows machines at home, so eventually (maybe as a winter project) I’ll need to decide if I want to try some other distros long term.

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            For the people who doesn’t get it (I notice your /s, so you do get it): It’s has a hidden joke. Mate can also mean “friend”. So “Welcome to Linux Mint mate!” can mean two things at the same time. Hence my reply: “Maybe Cinnamon mate!”, where “Cinnamon” refers to “Linux Mint Cinnamon”, but mate just refers to friend/buddy. But Mate can also mean MATE, a classic desktop environment for Linux Mint.

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      I’m thinking of changing my life (to require less of rot-affected computing) and moving to FreeBSD. Even Linux is hard in small ways, even if worlds easier than Windows. Would be OpenBSD if not for games.

      • Aniki 🌱🌿
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        Mate you think BSD is better than Linux for ease-of-configuration – in what fucking universe?!

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          I dunno

          in what fucking universe

          “BSD” is one thing, so can’t answer your question.

          If you meant that Linux has a lot of graphical configurators to do things - GUI is not necessarily easier than editing config files, because config files can be clean and compact and examples well-commented, and documentation can actually describe how to use the bloody thing. It’s just that in Linux this is not the case. While GUI configurators can be hardly usable nonsense and yes, in Linux they mostly are.

          And this difference in wide strokes is indeed common for all 4 BSDs against Linux for things that differ between operating systems.

          The rest sucks just as badly.

          EDIT: I wonder if any person upvoting/downvoting these comments has ever tried the things they are about.

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      “We’re entitled to everything to do, every scrap of data, everything you create, so we can feed our AI to make even more money, because you are making the mistake of using our product. If someone does hack our systems and steals all your data, who fucking cares? You aren’t me. I still get paid.”

      -Microsuck execs.

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    Windows Debloat Tool:

    https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools

    I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going (I use it on Linux too!)

    https://safing.io/

    However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.

    If people would like to “try Linux before you buy,” check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.

    https://distrosea.com/

    There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you’re dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

    Gamers should check out:

    https://www.protondb.com/

    This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there’s any snags.

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      DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.

      For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.

      I’m still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I’ve read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.

      But this Recall thing is so insidious to me… I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.

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        For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing

        I have always felt that GIMP was the ultimate software Camel. As in, designed by a committee to include everything and the kitchen sink without any coherent UI/UX.

        It’s the software industry’s 1965 Lada masquerading as a 2024 model.

        If it wasn’t for Paint.NET still missing vectorized/sprite-based text (it instantly rasterizes text the moment focus leaves it), I don’t think I could ever use GIMP.

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        I love Krita!! I put my specialty software into a virtual machine, aka the shame box. You can disable networking for it. 😈

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        I’ve been a LONG time user of Adobe, grew up with PhotoDeluxe and pre-suite Photoshop and used every version of Cretive Suite since my parents ran a graphic design business. I made all my high school essays in InDesign CS4. Suffice to say, growing bitter over proprietary software in the last few years has been painful but I’m doing my best to move to only FOSS.

        There was a point in time I tried replacing Premiere with DaVinci Resolve, but I quickly noticed it was oriented for color correction, and some of its features for composition were locked behind Fusion. These days, if you can believe it, I do all my video editing in Blender. It’s still got a long way to go, but since v4 the VSE has gotten really good. I’d like to try kdenlive when I finish migrating to Linux, but on Windows it basically doesn’t support GPU encoding which is a dealbreaker for me.

        Adobe Fresco is replaced quite well by Krita. It has a learning curve but is far more powerful as a result. I’m still learning but I’m impressed.

        I don’t really like Scribus, but I don’t really have a need for software like InDesign, so I haven’t had to worry about it.

        I’ve used Inkscape way back just because it was portable when Illustrator wasn’t. It was pretty minimal back then but I can see it’s grown greatly in depth. The workflow is enough to be disruptive, but not too badly to work through I think.

        And finally the titan, Photoshop. It’s such a massive and ubiquitous software that it simply cannot be replaced by any single program. At least since I moved to drawing in Fresco I don’t use PS for that, but again Krita is a fine replacement. Pixel art in PS is very normal too, but that’s replaced quite nicely by Aseprite, it’s more capable in that space and still quite easy to use if you don’t know its features. It’s the photo editing and general purpose image editing that’s the real challenge. I keep hoping that version 3 of GIMP will magically fix its problems, but in the meantime it’s frustratingly clear that it’s built by software engineers, not artists, but it’s often made out that it’s everybody else’s burden to forget everything they know and start from scratch to learn its special workflow. There’s an interesting patch someone made called PhotoGIMP that’s supposed to improve that, but I haven’t spent enough time with it to really say. Currently my only alternative is Photopea. It works great right now, but I don’t like that it’s a web app and not FOSS. I really hope I can eventually find an alternative that I can finally be comfortable with.

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        For me I would start with affinity while not in linux but it’s OK on wine can be a bit buggy tho but you need to compile a custom version of wine and no hardware acceleration support and it’s possible they are gonna release a linux build as well.

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      Just want to weigh in on Resolve. I was able to get the free version running on Mint, but the free version can’t do H.264. I then bought Resolve Studio, but activating the license did not work so I ended up on Windows for video editing.

      I also had to switch back to Windows for Affinity, as I have been using Photoshop for years and I have yet to find another piece of software (excluding Affinity) I can move at speed in.

      Once I get the content creation off Windows, I can probably leave it behind for good.

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      Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool.

      And that’s exactly how it feels to non-programmers or not-enthusiasts jus trying to exist.
      And those devs (not all but more or less most) will troubleshoot and gear it towards how they see fit with less newbie testing.

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      And all the webapps work well on Linux, so you have the MS office apps and the apple iCloud apps (by just having an account there). Even for photo editing, there are web app solutions, these days.

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      NAS is just a Linux machine with fancy storage.
      (I know thats technically not an accurate statement but Im standing by it, I know what I said)

      But for a one-time backup of one pc you just need a disk tbh - and even that one can be the single one in your current pc if you are able to make a partition for either backup or for Linux.

      Like, space permitting, just carve our a partition & transfer there what you would to NAS (or external disk drive, or an additional drive connected to the pc).
      If space is a bit tighter just carve out the few gigs needed to install Linux on that (nowdays for most users “it’s fine”). Then must boot into Linux & use the rest is the drive as is.
      Ofc if you have full disc encryption, raid etc this solutions are slightly more complicated.

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        I wanted to but a NAS system anyways to do house backups and stuff.

        And this system is RAIDed so getting everything on to the NAS will be easiest and start the process of setting up backups for the home.

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          Yes, another lost soul coming home to the self-hosted community!!

          May I PSA/strongly suggest going FOSS early on?
          (So not getting a closed software NAS)

          Good luck on your journey!

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    I remember them doing this with Internet Explorer back in the 90s.

    “We can’t remove this thing we don’t want to remove! Look! It’s hastily integrated with the OS! We can’t remove it ever!”

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    For years… well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.

    For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.

    Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn’t have to. I didn’t boot on it for months. It didn’t affect me.

    Still, I now feel … safer, more relaxed, coherent.

    When I see shit like that, I feel even better!

      • BrightCandle
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        Depends on the headset, they don’t all work on Linux unfortunately.

      • @xthexder@l.sw0.com
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        It was mostly working 2 years ago when I tried it last. I just had some weird frame dropping issues at the time that I can only imagine were fixed by now. This post is making me want to try VR again on my linux install

        • @Scolding7300@lemmy.world
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          I tried running the standalone, ran some script from Lutris but ended up with a broken wine config. Hopefully we can at least get that working without VR at some point.

          It’s the chicken and the egg problem, and most companies choose to be the chicken

      • @utopiah@lemmy.world
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        Yes, I even play VR Windows games on Linux., the latest one released just weeks ago being Subside.

        I’m using a Valve Index but with ALVR even standalone HMDs, e.g. (sadly from Meta) the cheap Quests line. You can find a lot more details on https://lvra.gitlab.io

    • @SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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      Yea about a year ago I switched entirely over to Linux. I am a system engineer so I have to deal with windows at work all the time but on my computer, I feel calm. Like I don’t have to worry about my operating system. Windows is getting in the way more than it’s helping 99% of the time now.

    • Rolling Resistance
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      That’s my situation, except I haven’t deleted my partition yet, mostly because it sits on a separate physical disk. Maybe one day…

    • @Mwa@lemm.ee
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      12 months ago

      I have windows on another physical disk and I plan to delete my windows partition in 2025 and start a software raid 0 configuration, sadly linux is not yet ready.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      242 months ago

      Switching to Free Software is kind of like planting a tree: the best time was years ago (because you’d be over the learning curve). The second-best time is now.

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        That said, it’s getting so much better every year. It’s already ahead of Windows in user-friendlyness IMO, but every year I’m amazed by how much cooler it gets.

        The only thing I can say is that on Linux, you get excited by the thought of updating your system. It’s like a Christmas feeling instead of a Monday one.

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        Agree. And as someone who planted that tree 25 years ago, the shade sure is nice year after year.

    • @macattack@lemmy.world
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      I made the jump last year. There will be ups and downs but I don’t plan on using another OS on my computers ever.

    • Dark Arc
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      You’ve got until late 2025 before 10 stops receiving security updates. I would not stay long after that.

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              But yes, Im pretty sure my little server I use explicitly for jellyfin will be fine

              I’m not sure why you wouldn’t use Linux for that. You can make some arguments against Linux on the desktop (although I don’t agree) but Linux as a server has been clearly superior for a long time.

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                  112 months ago

                  Because it will run jellyfin, with fewer system resources, and still get security updates (that you can configure to auto install at the correct time) for … free.

                  You also won’t at some point find yourself running such an old version of Windows that jellyfin no longer updates unless you buy the latest version of Windows.

                  You can just go download Ubuntu desktop LTS and do everything by just opening a terminal, plopping that one liner, and letting it run: https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/installation/linux/#repository-automatic

                  I’ll flip the script and ask “why in the world would you use Windows for something that doesn’t require it?”