• @grue@lemmy.world
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      Good, because “fight for $15” has been going on so long that the real number to regain parity with what minimum wage used to be is a lot higher than that by now.

    • @Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works
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      Wow, so you are building up accounts to sell huh?

      I saw this EXACT comment on a different post just yesterday from another username.

      These account farmers are LAZY!

      • @usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml
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        Are you sure? Becasuse that was probably me on this same account. On a different post on the exact same topic, I made a comment clarifying the same thing

        Edit: searching for “at least $15” across lemmy on my instance only has my own comments come up

  • Tarquinn2049
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    Wait, doubling it -to- 15 dollars an hour? Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but that is insane. Ours is already starting to feel too low at 17.40 here in Canada, granted that is about the equivalent of around $12.50 USD. So it’s lower than what she is proposing, maybe if she manages it, we’ll be able to get ours up.

    • @Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works
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      Yeah, the states have been moving towards 15, but the national minimum wage has been stuck for a few decades. And also yes, 15 is already way too low.

      • Queen HawlSera
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        21 month ago

        Even the McDonalds around here know that even the most desperate laugh at 7.25 an hour

    • @Khanzarate@lemmy.world
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      Most states have their own minimum wage laws at this point. Not all of them. So this will help a handful of mostly-red states.

    • The last place I worked upped their minimum wage to $10 an hour. It certainly wasn’t because of benevolence or federal shifts…they slowly realized that when you pay the absolute minimum, you only attract the minimum talent, and most of those positions had very high turnover rates that were costing the company more than it’d be to just raise the starting pay rates.

      It was cheaper to pay those positions more money.

      • Unfortunately in my state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal, many service industry companies refuse to learn that lesson. Or they think 16 cents above minimum wage is enough to attract top tier talent.

    • @Naryn@lemmy.world
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      It’d only put the US at 5th in the world for minimum wage, which considering the cost of living in the US vs most other countries.

      • @zbyte64
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        TBF developed countries like Switzerland don’t have a minimum wage law, but have near universal union representation.

  • @Yes_Man@lemmy.world
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    I’ll believe it when I see it. Seems every candidate has promised this for as long as I’ve been following American politics and no one actually manages it.

  • @Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com
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    $15/hr works out to be about 30k/yr. That’s not enough to live on. We need a $30 minimum wage. It needs to be indexed to both inflation as well as congressional salary. If they get a raise, everyone gets a raise.

    • @Fredselfish@lemmy.world
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      Yeah that fight for 15 was in 2016. We are way past that fight needs to be fucking 25 to 30. But watch every single fucking Republican will vote against any increases of minimum wage. 7.25 is a fucking joke and law makers should be fucking ashame of themselves.

      Actually any of them vote no on a raise should have all their money seized and made to live on minimum wage for 5 years.

        • @Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee
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          All of the Representative jobs used to be part time. ie People had real jobs that earned their living, and they also did their government work on top of that. And that was when travel took forever.

          In other words, one of the primary reasons we are at this point today, is because far too many politicians realized they could simply bilk the State, while doing fuckall for careers spanning 30-40-50 YEARS.

          If we take President Biden as an example, the man was elected to the US Senate in 1972! And there are many such examples.

          And what’s been the outcome? A better democratic process? No. Higher quality of life for citizens? No. More competitive American goods in the Intl marketplace? No.

          So what are we getting for our dollars? And why would we want these fossils (regardless of Party) to remain? They’re clearly not serving American interests.

    • @whoisearth@lemmy.ca
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      Canadian but same problem here. Long term we need UBI worldwide if we plan on ever moving forward as a species.

      Short term we need benefits for those less fortunate keyed to inflation at a bare minimum. In Ontario people with disabilities are paid below the poverty line. It’s disgusting.

    • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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      21 month ago

      And while we’re at it, we need to improve and standardize how we measure inflation. Big screen TVs getting cheaper doesn’t matter to most people.

  • JaggedRobotPubes
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    341 month ago

    Oh.

    My minded automatically corrected that as “doubling from 15 to 30”. Because that’s what it needs to be, at least.

    • @Bananigans@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      What’s the basis for $30/hr? First time seeing that number in the wild.

      Y’all really making this Reddit with less content. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

      • @NegativeInf@lemmy.world
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        Because we’ve been arguing it should be at least 15 for 10 years, and inflation is a bitch and if federal minimum wage had tracked with inflation since it was implemented, it would be closer to 30 bucks an hour than to 15.

        • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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          271 month ago

          And it should be all at once. The instant it’s passed, $30/hr. None of us got eased into it when gas prices and grocery prices and rent and health insurance went up.

        • @Bananigans@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I understand your sentiment, but if that’s your policy basis, you’d be asking for $10/hr instead of $15.

          Not necessarily a bad idea, I just wanted to know how that number was generated, because without that data, it’s not necessarily a good idea either.

            • @Bananigans@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              If you read the comments, it’s actually not. Inflation alone doesn’t account for pinning wages near $30, so that’s not really a good explanation given that it’s nonfactual. Even if he’s considering the living wage instead of historical minimums, $30 is still about 30% higher than what an average living wage would be. Is there some other consideration he has that I’m missing? I wouldn’t know without asking due to an unfortunate lack of psychic powers.

              Anyways, sorry I asked for the policy reasoning behind a policy position. It clearly offended many, I realize my mistake, and won’t bring that kind of nonsense around here again.

      • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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        I think the common sentiment is that minimum wage should be rated annually tied to a major factor on how much spending power that money has like inflation or productivity.

        Minimum wage started in 1938 at $0.25. if it kept up with inflation today that would be $5.59, which is far from enough to survive with even the most basic rent and groceries.

        “”" The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.68% per year between 1938 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 2,136.18%.“”"

        https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1938?amount=0.25

        Productivity however has decoupled from wages decades ago, here’s the EPI graph most reference:

        If we re-coupled those values for minimum wage today that would be much higher. 3 years ago CBS reported it would be about $26: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum-wage-26-dollars-economy-productivity/

        Where did that money go instead of paying fair wages?

        • @Bananigans@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Nice breakdown. And I agree that the better solution would be to figure out which metric to tie minimum wage to. I don’t really think throwing out a number every few years like the original reply I was responding to suggested is helpful. But it seems wildly popular here.

      • celeste
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        I’m seeing 21.50 from articles in 2020 tying min wage to productivity. Maybe that’s the number basis? Or living wage? A living wage per state adjustment for one adult with one child seems to put lw around 30 in a lot of states, with the single adult needing 13-20.

  • Queen HawlSera
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    321 month ago

    I can get a two dollar raise…

    Well it’s better than the FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMP I’d get from the other guy

    • @ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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      Yeah except the concentration camps come with free room and board.*

      *Charges for the room and board will be deducted from your earnings as a slave.

  • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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    231 month ago

    Name a more iconic duo than politicians and making promises that rely on the cooperation of other branches of government.

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      The number needs to be set to a good value, but this is the most frustrating aspect of this whole song and dance, because there shouldn’t even be a question about whether it should track inflation. Just setting another flat value so we can watch it atrophy away is maddening. The whole concept is directly related to the cost of goods, and the people needing this wage are the most impacted by price changes. And since it’s supposed to be a floor, you know minimum wage employers aren’t going to voluntarily raise wages to track inflation. They’d be paying even less if they were allowed.

      Even if the businesses-first majority of politicians try to low-ball the target, there’s no legitimate argument for not making it auto-update. Businesses just like to reap the extra exploitation between updates.

    • @abracaDavid@lemmy.today
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      Whaaaaat??

      A politician making a bunch of claims right before an election and then never following through on them?

      Say it ain’t so! Not in my America!

      Yeah it’s lying season. Both sides are telling us what they think we want to hear.

      • @DancingBear@midwest.social
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        This election does seem a little weird. Kamala feels like more of the same but Tim walz is right, Trump and his supporters are really kind of weird and creepy.

    • @Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works
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      YES SHE CAN!!

      She can do all the things!! More money for me, legal weed, more money for genocide(wait, she can do that and will…let’s not talk about that one), eat the rich, free abortions, free healthcare!!!

      She can do it all!! Definitely not items that Congress has to pass! Harris will do it all by her powerful self!!

  • @YeetPics@mander.xyz
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    That’s great!

    Certain burger-flipping former presidents have legal fees to pay and this goes a LONG way to making due.